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Just a new name: Germany does Not move away form data retention at all (translate.google.com)
96 points by Morst 4725 days ago
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Misleading title. This is about the program of the CDU, the party of chancellor Merkel. The CDU is not 'Germany'.

Data retention law is currently ruled unconstitutional and it's not in place.

Also, the super-annoying typo (s/from/form/) in the title doesn't help. Makes it even more misleading, I guess.
But the data is being collected anyway.
The Verfassungsgericht ruled that collected data had to be deleted.

Sure provides may store data for themselves - for example for billing purposes.

And such data can be accessed by law enforcement agencies, see http://dejure.org/gesetze/TKG/113.html (also the old version).
Sure, why not. I'm not against that. This has to happen on a case by case basis.
No, it was being collected, until the Bundesverfassungsgericht put a stop to that, and now the EU is pouting, which is still in progress.
I wish that were true. The data is collected anyway by the ISPs, but not necessarily stored 6 month (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter) and not on that foundation. There were some legal proceedings because of that.
Then why the talk about Germany paying 300 000 € a day for violating the EU directive? ( http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/vorratsdatenspeich... )

A source would be kinda nice. Not because I doubt it's possible, but simply because I haven't heard of it.

Those are different things. Just because there is no law forcing the ISPs to collect the data and providing a specific exchange interface following the EU directive, doesn't mean that germany has no other laws giving access to the data the ISPs collect anyway; and other laws permitting ISPs to collect those data. See § 113 TKG as source, which I linked below - it is not a secret.

edit: I'm trying to make that more clear. The difference is that right now, they are not forced by law to collect those data, hence the penalty and lawsuit from the EU. But they may do so - and that is done in practice -, and there is a law that if they do, law enforcement can get access.

Nicht zum Thema: wer hätte gerne ein HN mit deutsch als Amtssprache?
So then, make one. Post a link to HN when it is ready to go, and promote it in Europe. But appending this question to an unrelated topic is not going to be the best way of getting it done.
icke
'icke' doesn't really match my definition of 'deutsch' :p
Not a big chance that the German HN version wouldn't be as Berlin-centric as the US version is SF/SV-centric, I'd say... ;)
Good point.

Baden ftw!