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by toasterlovin 4743 days ago
This treats the symptoms, not the cause. The ultimate solution is buying less shit and buying what you do need local and used (usually on Craigslist). If you do this, you get these great benefits:

1. You prevent all the waste included in manufacturing new shit 2. You can usually sell it later for about what you paid for it 3. Since you usually have to shop quite a bit to find what you need, it eliminates the highly addictive, instant gratification feedback loop that comes from buying online or in a store and ultimately leads to less buying.

Mr. Money Mustache has a great post on getting started with the religion that is Craigslist: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/08/11/get-rich-with-crai...

A couple of choice quotes:

"You can also use it as a free way to “store” your unused goods. I didn’t hesitate to sell my papasan chairs today, because I know if I ever need them back, I can open up Craigslist and find plenty more just like them at any point in the future."

and

"So I view Craigslist not just as an Environment Saver – by preventing the unnecessary manufacturing of a bunch of new stuff – but also a Community Machine – connecting millions of people to do real activities together, as opposed to the soul sucking model of big corporations stamping out stores across the world, staffing them with minimum wage workers, connecting them to a stream of wasteful products flowing straight from China, and having us all drive into the big boxes every day to bring home SUV-loads of it which will soon end up buried in a landfill."

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The ultimate solution is buying less shit

Unfortunately some of us have relatives who insist on gifting us shit, regardless of how tactfully we try to ask them not to. I'd love to join a club like this. (Right now Goodwill suffices, but there's definitely non-cheap stuff we give away just because we don't have time to deal with it.)

Small rant: I suffer from this affliction.

This year so far: broken iPhones, a no brand android tablet that sucks, a pile of PMRs that don't work, a portable digital tv that was missing a proprietary power supply, an old HP server, a netbook with a nasty case of the clap, a naff 1998 vintage HP Omnibook, clothes that are too small for our children, a car (which instantly cost me £550 in repairs), a crap desktop pc full of spiders. Ugh.

It wasn't stuff i needed or wanted. It was stuff they didn't want and couldn't be bothered to get rid of.

One day I will just say no. No to everything. No gifts, no charity etc.

Get rid of it all.

The only problem is that I've been there. For a while I didn't own much and people thought I was a charity case and gave me more things.

The cycle is impossible to break.

Perhaps I'm too polite.

The problem is that most people think that things are status and people think improving status is how to help a person. Status does not concern me so I'm doomed.

Craigslist the non-cheap stuff. It only takes a few minutes to post something there (less time than going to Goodwill, probably), and you'll get some cash.

But yeah, the gifting culture drives me kind of bonkers too. I intend to establish Gift Truces with as many people in my life as possible come January 1st of 2014 (since, mathematically, I should be even with most people at that point). Or, if a person won't go for that, I'll ask them to donate to charity in my name instead of give me a gift.

But Craigslist can be a huge pain some times. It doesn't matter how low you price something, 5 people will try to get it for half that. I've had people arrange a time to come by & buy... and then never show up or respond again. Some times people really suck. lol
This came by a few weeks ago and it sounded like a brilliant idea.

http://www.nobenjam.in/ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5849748

I imagine it could self fund through ads - if someone is on a waiting list but misses out, let them know with adword ads based on the product they failed to get for free.

"Gift Truces" is my new expression of the year. Love it.
And then we enter into a massive deflationary recession, you lose your job, people go hungry, etc... all because there's been massive demand destruction for 'shit'. Doesn't sound so great.

Or just let people decide what's worth buying for themselves. If they decide they'll get utility out of it, great. If not, then they don't have to buy it. No need to foist your desires on others.

Most people aren't deciding. They are in a consumption induced haze that begets more consumption. It's only by introducing and promoting ideas and memes other than consumption that people will wake up enough to actually make a decision. If they then decide to continue consuming at current rates, then so be it I guess, but right now they aren't actually making a decision.
This treats the symptoms, not the cause.

You're definitely right. However, it does help those of us who understand that there is a problem push ourselves in the right direction and not only embrace the start of a solution but help us make it part of our lives, which makes it far easier and more honest to advocate the same.

Or, just post that shit on Craigslist and save shipping a bunch of crap a long distance for the second time.

Seriously, if you have some stuff, here's how I would get rid of it on Craigslist:

1. Valuable Stuff

Take nice pictures and some time to write a decent description and get the full value of what it's worth.

Or

Spend almost zero time on a bare bones post and get half of what it's worth.

2. Worthless Crap

Post it as a bulk lot and get like $10 for everything

Or

Donate to thrift store and get a tax deduction

Either way, you'll probably get more than the $10 per box that this service would offer, plus you'll not needlessly ship stuff all over the place.

Exactly. Out of "recycle, reduce, reuse", the last two are the most important.
It's "reduce, reuse, recycle" because they're in descending order of importance. That is, reducing is better than reusing, which is better than recycling.
I just found this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_hierarchy

It's pretty good, I didn't know it was this intricate.

This is a really good point!

But even if you treat the cause, these symptoms won't disappear...