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by mercurial 4787 days ago
> C, C++, Java, C# etc. programmers have been pulling dependencies in their repos for ages.

The first time I worked on a C# project started in an age where nu-get was not widespread, I saw with dismay a "lib" directory with vendored DLLs. It does happen.
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bruceboughton 4787 days ago
Why dismay?
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mercurial 4787 days ago
Many reasons:

- Binary artifacts under version control is no-no for me, unless we're talking assets. Third-party libraries are not assets. - Where do these DLLs come from? How do I know it's not some patched version built by a developer on his machine? I have no guarantee the library can be upgraded to fix a security issue. - Will the DLLs work on another architecture? - What DLL does my application need, and which ones are transitive dependencies?

That's many questions I shouldn't have to ask, because that's what a good package management system solves for you.

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bazzargh 4787 days ago
Spot on. We had this problem taking on some legacy code during a round of layoffs. They had checked in /their own/ DLLs from subprojects. It turned out that one DLL had unknown modifications not in the source code, and another had no source at all.

Another problem was that by building the way they had, they'd hidden the slowness and complexity of the build - including the same code from different branches via a web of dependencies, and with masses of unused code. They never felt this pain, so had no incentive to keep the code lean.

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bruceboughton 4787 days ago
If you don't trust your developers, then you've got bigger problems.
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mercurial 4787 days ago
Sure. But at the same time, if you make it a policy to forbid nailguns at the workplace, you have less people shooting themselves in the foot while you're not looking.
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bruceboughton 4787 days ago
Great unless you're a home construction business.

Anyway, this analogy isn't helping anyone. You think libs in source control is a problem because some people might not do it properly. I'm contending that there's nothing wrong with libs in source control--there's something wrong with letting people who might not do it properly near your source control.

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mercurial 4787 days ago
There are clear benefits from having a package manager (if anything, pesky things like version numbers, direct dependencies, etc are self-documented). In addition, it does prevent people from taking shortcuts, and even good people take shortcuts when the deadline is short enough.
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