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by bsphil 4879 days ago
Wasn't at all surprising to me. Have they never heard of Warhammer 40,000?
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This got quite a lot of discussion or reddit the other day and someone supplied a link to term used in fiction from the 30's. it predates this company by about 50 years.
Well, apparently prior art has nothing to do with trademark. So, to paraphrase The Big Lebowski, they're not wrong, they're just assholes.
The problem is not prior art, but the descriptive or generic nature of the term.

Just because there's a software company selling music or even a music label with trademarks on 'Apple' doesn't mean I cannot call a song about apples 'Apple Song'. See the case cited in section b of [1] as to why 'space marine' might not be the best choice if you want to put a trademark on a book's title.

'Prior art' is helpful insofar as it establishes the nature of the term in question. The term 'space marine' is not as widely used as I initially believed (eg it's neither used in Starship Troopers nor Aliens, and might not be in Starcraft - did not verify with the game itself and online sources are ambiguous).

However, it can still be found in a lot of places:

Misfit by Heinlein, Grayson Space Marine Corps in David Weber's Honorverse, Doomguy and the Quake marines, the Star Blazers TV series, Death of the Daleks, the movie 'Space Marines' from 1997, Colonel Scott of the US Space Marines from Moonraker, to name the ones I could come up with.

[1] http://www.copylaw.com/new_articles/titles.html

Death of the Daleks actually features the 'Marine Space Corps' and not the 'Space Marine Corps' according to Wikipedia, my bad ;)
Using the term inside a work might be less dangerous than using it in the title. IANAL, but GW might be able to argue that using it in a title is going to trick consumers into think it is an officially sanctioned GW book.
Look at the link I gave:

""" Noting the inherent weakness of plaintiff's title, the court commented that the words chosen by Random House [the defendant] were an apt description of its book, and therefore in the public domain. Rejecting plaintiff's unfair competition claim, the court further noted that because of the weakness of plaintiff's title, combined with the differences in the overall look and feel of the two books (including Random House's prominent use of its distinctive logo on the spine and back jacket) there was no likelihood of confusion. McGraw-Hill Book Company v. Random House, Inc., 32 Misc. 2nd 704, 225 N.Y.S.2d 646, 132 U.S.P.Q. 530 (1962). """

At least the german official Blizzard website uses "Space Marine", the english term is "Marine".

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/game/unit/marine

The trademark is not registered for books, but for toys and games and paint and etc.

But not books.

It is claimed to cover books:

> Its trademark claim covers the use of the word in connection with many aspects of tabletop gaming and video games, she said, but also extended to published works.

One should note that they claim trademark by 'common law', ie they argue that the association of the term 'Space Marine' with Warhammer 40k is so well-established even in the realm of ebooks that they own a de-facto trademark without having a registration (yet).

Basically, GW is the largest fish in their pond. They are trying to expand into a bigger one and are testing the waters by eating their first small fish.

Didn't they refer to characters in the Aliens films as Space Marines? The movies predate the game genre I believe.

Obviously the 1930s has both trumped.

In Aliens, they were officially called "Colonial Marines"
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't seen the trilogy in a while and couldn't recall for sure. I did a quick search online and saw references that said "space marine" and also "colonial marine" so I figured it might have referenced in the movie.
There's no reason to expect that the people currently employed at Games Workshop know that the company had borrowed the term in the first place.
That is unlikely. What is more likely — as there is significant historical evidence of it — is that GW has a legal department entirely run and staffed by the closest equivalent to ghouls we have.
>There's no reason to expect that the people currently employed at Games Workshop know that the company had borrowed the term in the first place.

You say that like sticking two generic words next to each other is somehow novel or noteworthy. I wouldn't call it borrowing or infringing when the thing in question is utterly mundane.

I think the Starblazer's cartoon had Space Marines and I think Robotech did as well.
I've heard of it, but knew nothing about it. There's a long list of space marines in fiction I would have pointed out before someone pointed out that this franchise also has them.
I play a lot of computer games and have heard of Warhammer 40,000. I have never heard the phrase "Space Marine" in relation to Warhammer though. No doubt if you play the game it's impossible not to, but expecting people to be familiar with Warhammer AND know that they use Space Marine seems folly. Especially since it sounds pretty generic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_marine
> Wasn't at all surprising to me. Have they never heard of Warhammer 40,000?

Was that before or after 1959 when Starship Troopers came out?

Amazon "search this book" says "0 results for space marine" and "0 result for space marines."

Starship Troopers is about "Mobile Infantry." This is about the term "Space Marine" not the concept of marines in space.