[DigitalTurk]

For me to seriously consider that app you should have a mode where hanzi is deemphasized (or even gone entirely).

For me it's just not worth the effort to learn. I have enough trouble with spoken Chinese as is and I have little to no use for hanzi symbols.

My Chinese teacher used to tell me that most of her students had the same attitude. It's to be expected. Few people stay in China for very long.

Other than that the app looks really nice, actually. The examples are well-chosen and I like how it shows you how the words are constructed.

[alan_h]

Thanks for the feedback, this is something my test users also suggested. I'll prioritise this when I add new features.

[rb2k_]

I seconds this. If there was a mode to enable the latin transliterations below the hanzi, that would be great!

[danso]

I agree...I started learning mandarin through the Rosetta Stone program and skipped all the Chinese character reading parts. It's just too much to learn when there's already enough to grasp with just speaking

[loceng]

I disagree. This is how you learn things deeply. It may take more effort and focus initially, and feel harder - though that's a bit of the point -- you remember things better during stressful situations, and the additional information allows your mind to connect more different pieces together, and in different parts of your brain (visual and langage). It might take a year of review before it starts to really click, and understanding the process of learning and so setting your expectations accordingly is how you can be more successful, faster.

[danso]

So obviously I am only speaking through assumption here, but isn't the Chinese character set almost entirely orthogonal to the language? That is, very little is lost by learning it through Pidgin? The extra year it might take to fully memorize the Chinese characters would seem to have only a glancing effect on how much conversational Chinese you could speak

[tel]

Largely true in my experience, but without hanzi you're illiterate in China. Definitely a plausible thing for a short visit, but if you stay for a longer period I think it'd be very paralyzing. This comes from an experience I had traveling with a friend when I was a beginning fluent reader and speaker and he just a speaker. Over the few months in Beijing his confidence deteriorated and he ended up staying at home ordering the same food from the nearby market every day. I think his illiteracy contributed to that.

[dakota]

This is very true. I studied abroad last year, and some of the students who could not read had an incredibly difficult time. Eventually, they were forced to catch up, and life got much better for them. They could explore the city much easier, do things on there own, without having to have someone who could read with them.

[DigitalTurk]

Could you elaborate. How was not being able to read a problem?

Did they have trouble navigating the city? Was this perhaps in a city without subways?

[DigitalTurk]

I don't get it.

If you're a foreign guy in China there are always tons of girls who'll go with you to wherever you want to go and who'll translate for you. If you speak just a little Chinese you can have a very comfortable life there.

[tel]

Sure, it's not impossible to get around. You're just always going to be dependent on said girls. Even with the foreigners-don't-need-to-know-Chinese excuse, being illiterate is difficult.

[matthewrudy]

For some people, the freedom to go to a restaurant and understand the menu is considered valuable.

[tehwalrus]

But each spoken syllable (even separated by tone) can have 5 or 6 meanings depending on context (which are different characters)! You can't get passed a few basic phrases without hitting this.

By learning the characters (especially if you learn the radicals inside each character first) you can build up an understanding of the context of each character that you're using.

For example, how would you go about learning the response to the question "Which zhong?"

zhong guo de zhong / 中国的中

("the 'middle' character from 'middle kingdom' (China)")

and knowing to give the correct response when someone is confused about what you're saying in a sentence (which can happen a lot when you're a beginner who makes word order mistakes.)

I used to use Memrise for this ( http://memrise.com ) but since they updated the UI you can no longer clearly see which dependent radicals a character has easily, so I've accidentally stopped practising.