[sftueni]

Not quite convinced by the argument that 'Apple killed' it. IMHO it's always dangerous to go for one plug design; given how those plugs evolved over time (Think USB, micro USB, mini USB for Android, etc.). I quickly amassed in my drawer a plethora of unusable chargers. Only the Apple port had the longest lifetime across multiple devices. I would say, the kickstarter idea could use it as an opportunity to redesign an initial flaw of - an otherwise nice charging station ?

[JohnTHaller]

They can't. The point of it was to be a charging station that could charge everything. Apple's updated more-anti-competitive license changes make this impossible by forbidding anything from having a lightning connector in conjunction with any other connector. It's basically Apple forcing 3rd parties to make docks, speakers, etc that ONLY work with new Apple products and won't support anything else.

[joeyo]

They could have simply provided a standard USB-A port. Trying to put all possible connectors on the thing sounds like a fools errand, regardless of Apple's stance.

[firloop]

If you look on their kickstarter page, they actually did provide USB-A ports on the bottom of the unit. They just weren't able to 'compromise their product', which makes me believe that perhaps they had other underlying issues, unrelated to Apple's licensing.

[JohnTHaller]

They said the product was going to do lightning and they found out they couldn't actually do that. I think that would qualify as false advertising.

[Kerrick]

There are already a glut of portable chargers on the market that provide a standard USB-A port. The point of this device was to stand out by providing the Lightning (and other) connectors without needing additional cables.

[JohnTHaller]

Not really. The 3 USBs along with the fat iPhone connector and Lightning connector would let them cover most phones currently on the market.

[snogglethorpe]

Wait, why does Apple even have the power to do this...?

It's a connector... Why on earth is it possible to patent a connector that doesn't involve any particular innovation (take wires, rearrange a bit, tweak shell shape) in the first place...?!?

[guptaneil]

There's a digital chip within the connector that authenticates the cable and routes the signals to the appropriate pins. This is what they license.

[snogglethorpe]

Wait, so.... DRM in the cable?

I remember rolling my eyes a bit when people complained about the new connector, but man, this thing actually is starting to sound kind of evil...

[veemjeem]

Well, it's not really drm -- the chip in there is used for lots of stuff. There was an article about the thunderbolt cable (which has a similar design to lightning) where it has a chip inside that cable as well. Note that thunderbolt was actually designed by intel.

I think lots of future cables will have these chips in them. In thunderbolt, the chip mutiplexes & demultiplexes the data. Perhaps the idea is that speed increases can be had just by upgrading your cable instead of upgrading the port.

In the lightning cable, the chip is also responsible for determining the orientation of your connection, since the connector is reversible.

[Dylan16807]

There are various sane reasons to have a chip in there to process data.

There is no benign reason to involve authentication to shove 5V over the wire.

[josteink]

Well, it's not really drm

Except that now nobody can make a cable/connector without Apple giving them permission first.

Sure sounds like DRM to me.

[marshray]

So the device will refuse to charge from a simple regulated supply?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

[marshray]

I haven't seen the connector myself, but I would not expect it to be devoid of all innovation. But I do find it somewhat disturbing that after 100+ years we're still finding patentable modifications to ordinary low-voltage plugs.

Someone should make a Kickstarter for a compatible charging connector that unambiguously avoids all the patents. Something dirt-simple like just a few bare metal pins sticking out providing voltage and alignment.

Now that would be disrupting the ecosystem.

[JohnTHaller]

You can't. Apple built DRM into their cable with a proprietary security chip. All DRMed and patended up nicely to lock everyone out of just about everything.

[czhiddy]

A minimal amount of googling would've uncovered the actual purpose of the chip: http://brockerhoff.net/blog/2012/09/23/boom-pins/

Care to provide any sources describing the DRM capabilities?

[marshray]

From your link, the discussion doesn't seem to have a definitive conclusion:

The folks at Chipworks has done a more professional teardown, revealing that the connector contains, as expected, a couple of power-switching/regulating chips, as well as a previously unknown TI BQ2025 chip, which appears to contain a small amount of EPROM and implements some additional logic, power-switching, and TI’s SDQ serial signalling interface. SDQ also uses CRC checking on the message packets, so a CRC generator would be on the chip. Somewhat confusingly, Chipworks refer to CRC as a “security feature”, perhaps trying to tie into the authentication angle, but of course any serial protocol has some sort of CRC checking just to discard packets corrupted by noise.

So until someone finds a truly dumb Lightning charging cable, the question as to whether or not DRM prevents it is alive.

[marshray]

Bastards. Well, as long as someone has a cable somewhere that your DC supply can proxy communications to...

[dlitz]

More people need to ask this kind of question.