[rpm4321]

Bit of a tangent, but I'm wondering if anyone here has had any luck with Cython?

I'm starting to run into some performance bottlenecks with Python, and so I'm just now looking at Cython, PyPy, Psyco, and... gasp... C.

From what little I've read, Cython is supposed to be as easy as adding some typing and modifying a few loops here and there, and you are in business.

[IanOzsvald]

I taught High Performance Python covering the tools you mention at PyCon 2012 (and EuroPython last year), maybe my videos+write-up will be helpful. I also cover profiling, shedskin, pyCUDA etc:

http://ianozsvald.com/2012/03/18/high-performance-python-1-f...

[Erwin]

Depends on your application. Ideally you want to change your code so as much computation as possible can happen in pure-C code and pure-C data types (using Cython). If you have a big class tree with many callbacks and work spread over hundreds of method, that can be difficult.

Before you go that far, I'd recommend making sure you know all the Python gotchas (for example, maybe you have some inner loop that does for x in range(100000) all the time), that you algorithms are in order. Sometimes even silly microoptimization can make a difference if a small function is a significant amount of your runtime. Using multiple processes with e.g. the multiprocessing module can be an option too.

Depending on what data types you operate on, numpy (and now this new thing) can do some amazing things.

PS: check things like http://packages.python.org/line_profiler/ beyond the ordinary profiling.

[travisoliphant]

Cython is helpful, but you have to spell out a lot of type-information that is not specifically necessary. You might also try Numba --- easiest way to get it is via Anaconda CE or Wakari. Both at http://continuum.io

[kkuduk]

Here is a pretty nice example how to use Numba and some expectations about the speedup you may get: https://www.wakari.io/nb/travis/numba

[chadillac83]

LUA might be good for this too, it's pretty fast on it's own but from what I've read (not tested mind you) their C API is supposed to be pretty great.

http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/which-programs-a...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_(programming_language)#C_AP...

[freyrs3]

Lua has some areas where it excels in performance, but using Python you can leverage 10 years of work on numeric libraries that unrivaled in any other general purpose language. NumPy and SciPy are extremely powerful.

[draegtun]

One rival would be PDL which has been around for over 16 years on Perl.

Some refs:

- http://pdl.perl.org/

- http://blogs.perl.org/users/david_mertens/2012/06/adapting-p...

- http://blogs.perl.org/users/david_mertens/2011/06/cuda-and-t...

[lrem]

Cython is good, but sometimes it's a bit tricky to bend it to do exactly what you want[1]. You'll probably still want to write that hot piece in C... But gluing it with Cython is IMHO much nicer than using the plain Python API.

[1] - on the other hand, it comes with a tool explaining exactly how each of your lines of Cython looks in resulting C, with color-coding for high level overview of which pieces translated smoothly

[frozenport]

I would go with C/C++ as the ways to address performance are well studied. There are many tools out there like callgrind or nvvp that will make it pain-free.

I can narrow down performance in C/C++ quite quickly, but neither I nor anybody I know has done much of this for Python. Many people who I work with consider a Python implementation a prototype, while Fortran/C/C++ is mature real code worthy of attention.

The only real downside is that C/C++ requires a little knowledge of the POSIX/LINUX or Windows. This represents a learning curve, but when you are over it, it represents quite durable long lasting skills.

[skriticos2]

I think from the development effort a more sensible approach is to build the whole thing in Python, then profile your application and find the performance bottlenecks. Then get your hands a little dirty with the Python C API. This way you can gain good performance without wasting too much time.

http://docs.python.org/3/extending/extending.html

http://docs.python.org/3/c-api/index.html

[winter_blue]

> Fortran/C/C++ is mature real code worthy of attention

Just be prepared for Drew Houston, Paul Graham et al. to come after you whipping their lashes.. (tongue in cheek)

[frozenport]

I'm not scared of a man who speak with a Lisp!