[ecshafer]

So $1-10k in Chinese model time, thus why we must ban them.

[heaney-555]

If a Chinese model can do it for $1-10K, then why hasn't one?

Why have all the mathematical (and now cryptographic) breakthroughs come from OpenAI and Anthropic?

Is it possibly because the Chinese models are so benchmaxxed they can't make novel discoveries?

[arcanemachiner]

They're a few months behind the frontier, which, by the way, only started making these discoveries in the last few months.

[throw10920]

That might be true, but it's irrelevant to the current discussion, which is arguing about whether or not Chinese models can do this now. One of the commentators above is arguing that it's not only possible but significantly cheaper (i.e. Chinese models are not only at par with frontier but several months ahead).

[arcanemachiner]

Ah, sorry, you're right. I would be willing to be that Kimi could do a decent job today, but definitely not for 1% of the price.

[nojs]

For one thing they are extremely GPU constrained due to export controls, so it’s unlikely a priority compared to training

[ozozozd]

“I haven’t seen X, therefore it doesn’t exist.”

Absence of evidence is not an evidence for absence of something.

[poidos]

Don't know if one has or not, but a lack of announcement is not a lack of success.

[mwigdahl]

Do you really think that if a Chinese model had achieved a significant math breakthrough that it wouldn't be trumpeted to the global media? The "Deepseek moment" was great for China; this would be the same.

[nozzlegear]

Perhaps since the Chinese companies don't have the economy of an entire global superpower riding on them, they can't afford to light $100k+ on fire doing random shit with the hope it'll turn out a research paper.