[arcanemachiner]

They're a few months behind the frontier, which, by the way, only started making these discoveries in the last few months.

[throw10920]

That might be true, but it's irrelevant to the current discussion, which is arguing about whether or not Chinese models can do this now. One of the commentators above is arguing that it's not only possible but significantly cheaper (i.e. Chinese models are not only at par with frontier but several months ahead).

[arcanemachiner]

Ah, sorry, you're right. I would be willing to be that Kimi could do a decent job today, but definitely not for 1% of the price.