[cogman10]

> I have no idea why HN still treats them like their the ethical good guy.

I don't know that HN usually does. But they did buy a decent amount of publicity by (initially) telling the US government no in using the models for war.

[adastra22]

They never did that. They said all they required was a human in the loop for kill decisions. No autonomous kill drones.

[daymanstep]

Human in the loop is infeasible in comms denied areas which is what we have in Ukraine/Russia right now.

It's why Ukraine and Russia are now using fully autonomous drones. That's the only real solution to jamming.

[adastra22]

What does that have to do with LLMs hosted by Anthropic. They didn't say the Dept of War couldn't make kill bots. They said no using Claude to make kill decisions. A quadcopter drone running on a Raspberry Pi isn't running an Anthropic model locally.

[hahajk]

anthropic's models would also be useless in a jammed environment though

[hkt]

and the only way to use them would be to blow up A100s

[hkt]

Not true, fibre controlled drones are actually pretty important out there right now: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/fiber-opt...

[daymanstep]

Not viable for long range strikes.

[storus]

No, they are using long optical cables attached to drones. The battlefield looks like a giant spider web afterwards.

[Stevvo]

Fiber optic drones were last year's weapon of choice, this year it is drones with autonomous terminal phase. This happened because the AI data center build-out increased demand for fiber optics, driving up the price to less affordable levels. Autonomous terminal phase is also more effective; ~80% mission success compared to ~30% for fiber optic drone.

[subarctic]

Are they still doing that? I saw that months ago

[encrypted_bird]

I genuinely can't tell if you're joking, though I'd like to believe you are...

[x3n0ph3n3]

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/technology/general/fiber-optic-dro...

[ls612]

Fiber optic drones are real but the fully autonomous drones others are describing are also real (but less publicized due to the bad PR around killbots)

[paradoxyl]

yes, what paragrons of virtue who lie about all their financials.

[froggit]

Is it still lying if they just lost track of where all the debt is hidden and stopped caring about those little things? They're seriously like 2 months out from achieving AGI and making more money than god.

[cschep]

They did something Sam wouldn't do at the very least.

[kelvinjps10]

Anthropic gained momentum in terms of public opinion, when they launched the no ads campaign and then after not supporting the use of AI without supervision in the military. And now it seems it has been lost after incidents like (people getting incorrect bills) their handling of fable etc

[anon373839]

Personally, I never bought the good-guys act. But judging from the HN pulse, it seems to me that the decisive moment when Anthropic lost its halo is when it decided to start silently sabotaging users working on LLM research that might compete with Anthropic. It was so blatantly monopolistic and abusive that it seemed to be mask-off moment for many.