[HelloNurse]

  >  It seems like many ‘vibe coders’ don’t realize that they don’t actually have a community around them.

This is not about demanding a community, as the article argues about at great length: it's only a polite way to say that many ‘vibe coders’ are annoying, negative net value assholes. Community would ensure that they are not aberrant lone wolves.

[AussieWog93]

> many ‘vibe coders’ are annoying, negative net value assholes

Where on Earth does this sentiment come from? I've had people make AI contributions to my open-source projects and while they may be perhaps less technical on average they're every bit as well intentioned - possibly moreso since they're interested in improving the project rather than establishing a little fiefdom.

[raffael_de]

> AI contributions

using AI is not vibe coding. the difference is whether a developer takes responsibility and the according measures before releasing/contributing or not.

[HelloNurse]

I agree with the distinction between using a LLM as a tool to make personal contributions to healthy projects and expecting Codeberg to host arbitrary slop, but I'm afraid you are assuming good faith.

The "developer" could be a bot, or a tool-assisted criminal or activist, and they might be using LLMs to enhance their ability to add stealthy malware, plant patent or copyright violations, impose not quite shared technical choices, and so on.

Many open source projects ban AI contributions just because they are an efficiently low effort way to waste the time of the actual maintainers.

[IshKebab]

Well I think they are probably well intentioned and annoying... and possibly net negative but I'll reserve judgement on that.

E.g. I've had people find genuine bugs and then basically paste their entire Claude conversation into the issue. Very annoying.

[hespejo]

yes, but as freedom of expression allows 'assholes' to say whatever they want, free software also allows 'assholes' to develop whatever they want - and limiting it while position itself as the lighthouse of freedom makes Codeberg people the actual assholes

[selfhoster1312]

Freedom of expression does not mean my non-profit has to spend its resources to give you a platform. I'm not a member of Codeberg eV, but i strongly approve their decision. We need more hosts with a mission, especially when it comes to AI and promoting human-crafted resources.

[Ekaros]

I feel that decades of dumping by VC and advertisement supported platforms have really lead to massive entitlement. People really feel that they should have full right to use any amount of "free" resources for anything. Even if they are the only ones using it.

For resource limited platform selecting their focus is just right. It would be like running food bank in some extremely rich neighbourhood. And people living there complaining of not getting caviar and Japanese wagyu...

[inigyou]

We've gotten used to stuff like GitHub just existing, the same way Windows (up to XP) just exists. If you have a Windows XP computer it keeps working indefinitely. Corporations dumping taught us to expect the same with online services that need constant maintenance.

[jjgreen]

Plague ships are not welcome in all ports.

[atoav]

Freedom of expression, as defined in the US, sure. But not everybody in the internet shares the definition.

E.g. as a European my idea of freedom of speech is not limited to the things I am allowed to say, but also about whether spaces exist in which I can say them. US style freedom of speech, doesn't produce any more insightful or free discourse than over here. In fact I'd argue it produces a discourse where voices win that are the loudest, most outrageous and least respectful, while voices that are more reasonable are frightened away.

It is the same thing that happens if a state gives up her monopoly of violence: The strongest dominate, while the weaker, more peaceful ones suffer.

Freedom is not just the freedom to do X, it is also the freedom of not having X done to you, as well as the freedom of living in a space where doing X is actually possible.

This means a free society does not have to endure all voices, especially those that aim at harming others or have the goal of using freedom of speech to get rid of the free society. Don't like the rules of a free society? Then you don't get to easily claim the protections granted by one. You can't whine to the referee if your goal is to get rid of the referee — I mean you could, but that would be pathetic.

[Cider9986]

Free speech in the US is about protecting citizens freedom from government harm for their speech. That's all. We can agree government shouldn't punish their citizens for their speech?

[atoav]

No we can't. Because my opinion is that a government should punish speech in certain cases, e.g. speech that is against the human dignity of other people or speech that is dangerous (e.g. yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

We delegate these rules to governments to secure the individuals rights to life, liberty, and happiness (as your declaration of independence so wonderfully puts), not because we want to allow shitheads to allow to shittalk. This is just a side-effect we all have to endure, because we don't want governments to police all speech.

That means also in the US not everything you could say goes unpunished by the government, especially if you're not white, male and christian. Remember, the police is part of the government and if they can shoot you because they thought they have seen a gun, they can also shoot you because of what you said.

On top of that we, collectively, form governments for (among others) the purpose of protecting each others speech, not just from governments, but from each other, from our bosses, coorporations, from the police. That means, we collectively, use the government as a governing body tho whom we delegated certain powers. Where to draw the line is different in different regions of the earth. For example the female nipple printed in many European newspapers would not be protected speech in the US for puritan religious reasons.

[inigyou]

Yeah instead corporations, which are more powerful than the government, harm you for your speech.

[GlacierFox]

You're free to be an asshole all day and all night if. I'd respect that, looking at you from the top window of my lighthouse of freedom.

I don't have to let you in, feed you and offer you a bed for the night. You can be free out there.