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by functionmouse 11 days ago
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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

The comment is flippant but IMO it's also a pithy summary of an important argument in this debate. To which some of the responses are thoughtful and substantive.

Tangential: I quite often slap down comments for much the same reasons you're using. No objections there, in fact I wish more people would do it.

I think you're right. Thanks.
Thanks :)
Very few people travel to visit the Amazon especially in Peru, Bolivia, and Ecuador. In the absence of tourist money these amazing ecosystems are being turned into agriculture and logged. In the protected areas supported by eco tourism the sound of the insects is deafening. But a few miles away in the banana plantations the area is completely silent. Even on “organic” banana plantations every insect is killed.
I walk an old logging trail near my house. 5 years or so ago I was walking and came across a lady slipper. Then another and another. I stopped counting at around 100. I've never seen so many in one place. It was incredible. I stopped taking people there when they've bloomed to help preserve them. It's a free and public place, but on a lightly travelled road so it doesn't actually get much traffic. Anyone that takes that walk at the right time of year will see them, but I've no interest in helping the inevitable happen if word gets out.
Not having heard of this plant before, I was rather confused why people would leave so much footwear on this trail.
Apologies, I assumed common knowledge when I shouldn't have. It's a lovely orchid that resembles a slipper.

Here's a link from the USDA Forest Service:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/wildflowers/plant-of-the-week/cyprip...

haha yes, 100% thought this was about someone dumping used shoes in a pristine area before your comment.
I listen to too many crime podcasts. My mind was going, one slipper, the second slipper, then the body.
Yeah, only publish stories about coral bleaching, animals going extinct, and forest fires. Censor any good news at all costs!
You don't even need to actively censor it; it's human nature to not only solely pay attention to bad news, but also to amplify it. It's generally true for all mammals, but they scale of things we're conscious of is orders of magnitude larger than any other mammal species.
Pretty sure they meant it sarcastically …
Forest fires are natural.

Coral bleaching seems too actually be a sign of prosperity, not suffering.

Glyphosate has made forest fires worse.

Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. That is due to suffering and causes suffering.

>Glyphosate has made forest fires worse.

How? How does this work?

>Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps.

The first part is correct, the second is unknown. In 2016, 84% of corals bleached, the highest number. Did global warming peak in 2016?

I admit, saying "prosperity" was provocative. It's probably not a sign of prosperity. But what exactly it is a sign of, we have little idea.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w...

It changes the composition of the forest to make it more flammable.

I don’t understand your coral comment. The coral expels the algae because the temp causes it to expel harmful toxins. There are other triggers besides heat.

But... basically any human activity changes forest composition.

Only 30% of the forests are primeval, and those 30% are not in Europe.

Forests are not "natural" for thousands of years.

>There are other triggers besides heat.

The amount of studies (or corals and algae) seems to be insufficient. I clearly remember the alarmist wave of the 2016, which turned out to be, well, not entirely unjustified, but clearly exaggerated.

I'm not a big fan of synthetic chemicals in the food supply but I can't help wondering how Glyphosate has made forest fires worse?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w...

It changes the composition of the forests to make them more flammable.

That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.
I think it depends. In developing countries, ecotourism even when poorly managed is better for conservation than uncontrolled fishing/farming.
Not in developing countries. Especially not when in the commons (e.g. territorial waters). Awareness + western tourism is often the only way these things get protected.
What's the point in it existing then? Just for a couple of the chosen few?

I'm aware that lots of people can be destructive, but there's a balance.

For its own sake, not ours.
Beauty does not exist for its own sake, it only exists in the mind of someone else.
Hey there Mr. Jambo
Shut up about the exact location, but do tell us about it. Just make it hard enough so the ignorant tourism industry cannot find it.