[thot_experiment]

All my homies hate AI.

It has really given us a perfect emblem of the worst capitalism has to offer, I'm not holding my breath but perhaps this backlash will precipitate further change to drive us toward a flatter economy and a society that does a better job of rejecting exploitation and concentration of power. One that more effectively serves humanity and allows us to find a much better global optimum.

[dyauspitr]

I’m all for no concentration of power but not at the expense of technological progress.

Are you seeing the physical AI that has just begun to explode over the last few months? Robots can now literally reliably put your clothes into a washing machine, start it, move them to the dryer, pull them out and fold and stack all of them. They can almost reliably rinse and put your dishes into the dishwasher, start it, then pull them out and put them away into your cabinets. This is all paradigm shifting stuff, and I’ll resist any attempt to stall progress in that space so some people can have a job for a few more months.

[apothegm]

A robot that washes your clothes isn’t much use if you can’t afford clothes (let alone the robot) because there’s not enough work left that they can’t do to employ more than a minuscule fraction of us humans and the techno-feudal barons have no interest in distributing let alone redistributing the proceeds.

[dyauspitr]

The US isn’t the only player in the game. In fact, it may not even be the main player in a couple of years. There are people (mainly China) that will do this irrespective of whatever Luddite crap you pull right now. This is happening whether you like it or not. If everyone loses their job, there is going to be something that works itself out. This is not a reason to shit the bed and play dead weight on technological progress.

[fingerlocks]

> If everyone loses their job, there is going to be something that works itself out.

You can’t be serious. The entire crux of your argument rests on this one hand-waving “just trust me bro” dismissive?

[dyauspitr]

It’s not hand waving. It’s pointing out like every paradigm shift in the past, there probably isn’t one answer but society progresses and there will be new ways for people to be supported/productive.

What the alternative? Block progress for a few months, lose your lead in a very important race and someone else develops those technologies and you’re back in the same place again, albeit without owning the “means of new production”.

[thot_experiment]

A. That's not a useful thing I care about nor should you (in the context of the current state of things) and B. I don't oppose AI as a concept. I oppose it as an emblem of the failure of our systems of governance to serve the common man. I oppose the implementation that people colloquially mean when they say AI, I have nothing against tensor blobs and I more or less wish intellectual property was abolished.

[dyauspitr]

A robot that does all of the chores in your house and outside your house is not useful? I’m going to stop reading right there.

[owebmaster]

Do you think we are anywhere near that? Do you have a vacuum cleaner robot?

[dyauspitr]

Yes we are. It’s all very recent and physical AI is exploding now. Here is literally a 3 hour autonomous stream of a robot folding and stacking clothes.

https://youtu.be/a2HZyURUE_o?is=2fCIZRpNxkCFP-83

[icepush]

Is this an actual, real example, or is the robot being operated by an off-screen human being ?

[iwontberude]

Those folds are bad, I like my folds tighter than that

[democracy]

Touche, a more or less decent pool robot cleaner is around 3k and doesn't last more than a few years without changing every part but the case itself. Ok I take it - it operates in somewhat "hostile" environment but the point still stands

[burnt-resistor]

Back in my day (80's-90's), our Polaris vac-sweep was pretty simple reliable. Late stage capitalism / neoliberalism made it worse.

It didn't need an LLM or deep learning to do its job because it would randomly crawl around so long that it was on. I don't understand adding complexity, fragility, or cost to a solved problem, but I guess there are enough people who engage in competitive conspicuous consumption to signal status.

[shawn_w]

Roombas have been a thing for many years, long before the current llm craze.

[DangitBobby]

And they are completely useless.

[thot_experiment]

Not in the current context no, opportunity costs exist.

[handoflixue]

Well, given that stunning list of zero opportunity costs, I'm sure forced to reconsider my stance. Very persuasive!

[datadrivenangel]

What brand of robot is this and how how reliable is it?

[dyauspitr]

Sunday Robotics have pretty much solved folding clothes. It will correctly fold clothes greater than 99% of the time according to them. They have a 3 hour stream of it just folding clothes on their YouTube channel.