[nopromisessir]

Lots of discussion surrounding what ethnonationism is...

Ethnonationalism: Defined by shared ancestry, lineage, and cultural heritage. Membership is exclusive and inherited by birth, focusing on preserving a specific ethnic identity.

Civic Nationalism: Defined by shared political principles, values, and laws. Membership is inclusive and open to anyone who adheres to the state's legal framework, regardless of background.

Does the party call for remigration or a lower status for immigrants who have committed no crimes, found jobs and are not a disproportionate drain on the welfare state? To be ethnonationist, I believe they must call for that on the basis of us vs them. Perhaps someone can provide evidence of this. I haven't seen any. Seems like they are very upset about crime and welfare drain. Also they have a bunch other non immigration related positions that some might label as extreme.

[g-b-r]

"They will also be forced to leave, even if they are born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedish"

I don't see any mention of crimes, having jobs or "being a disproportionate drain" (however you define that).

[nopromisessir]

I do not speak Swedish, but I looked into this via machine translation.

My understanding is that the discussion can be found around this timestamp link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4goynP4mHYI&t=1h18m43s

According to the machine translation, Allard explicitly frames his argument around cultural assimilation, economic contribution, and behavior rather than biological ethnicity or skin color alone.

In public statements, he has routinely asserted that an individual's racial background or skin color is irrelevant to his politics.

Look, I'm not some Allard supporter. Don't know the guy, not even Swedish. Easily found some stuff on their platform which I quickly disagree with. I really doubt he's literally out there just calling for mass deportation of folks based on ethnicity. That is actual ethnonationism. Swedish people are from a nice free society and are accustomed to low crime and low problems. They've got this 2nd generation migrant issue that lots of Europe is dealing with.

The definition of ethnonationist is being used so flipantly throughout this thread.

Do your really think this guy is just standing up saying 'remigrate all dark skinned folks who got here recently'?

Even if that were his true political goals, it would be pretty self defeating to just charge onto the stage going full Nazi. He wouldn't have this much movement.

[g-b-r]

Ok, however,

> I really doubt he's literally out there just calling for mass deportation of folks based on ethnicity. That is actual ethnonationism. Swedish people are from a nice free society

If you meant that they wouldn't support racist policies, a party with neo-nazi roots is currently the second largest one; calling for mass deportation based on ethnicity might not be that unpopular.

Actually, the Swedish Democrats themselves in 2003 adopted “the idea of "open Swedishness”, meaning that Swedish identity is not biologically exclusive and that assimilation is – theoretically – possible”.

And their ideas about immigration don't seem very different to those of Örebro, at a quick glance.

The SD are described in the intersting scholarly article at https://direct.mit.edu/euso/article/21/4/583/127125/Frames-o... as ethno-nationalists.

[tpm]

> it would be pretty self defeating to just charge onto the stage going full Nazi

Sadly no, in 2026 going full Nazi genocidal maniac mass murderer in waiting seems to be broadly acceptable for a politician, in the next few years we can expect the "in waiting" part will be dropped somewhere.

[stasomatic]

What is Swedish? Their own royalty is a forever soup with Danish, German and French ingredients, with Norman umami added before and after. They could just say tall/white/Caucasian and stop being polite Swedish about it. But they won't, because. Not my country, not my problem, but it's just so glaring. Do police work, educate, integrate. What's done is done, move on.

[LargoLasskhyfv]

Maybe they don't fancy the idea of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submission_(novel) ?

I know I don't.

[stasomatic]

My sentiment was is that what’s must be happening but is unpalatable to be plated as such. Forgive me, I’m speaking out of school, I have never been to Sweden or its neighboring countries.

[g-b-r]

If you don't fancy it, maybe, don't obsess on it either, given that it's bs?

[LargoLasskhyfv]

Is it? Funny you're saying that, since there exists a guy called Yasha Mounk, who stated very similar things in public TV multiple times, about performing an experiment regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...

Which wiki calls as debunked, and 'conspiracy theory'. Fkn rturds!

[g-b-r]

Other comments about that at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977236