[floatrock]

A GR Corolla goes 0-60 in 4.9 - 5.4sec.

My unexotic stock electric does 0-60 in around 4.8sec, +/-.

So the same performance that requires a stupid amount of wasted energy as heat and noise can be had from stock electric, with a couple hundred ms leftover. Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise?

I get traditional car culture, but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism.

[caconym_]

Your "unexotic stock electric" is boring as shit to drive and corners like a boat. Stomping on the throttle and going very fast in a straight line is a big marketing point for modern EVs with an excess of power (and usually weight), but there's a reason the concept of a "driver's car" exists, and if you think it's just about making noise then you really, really, really don't understand why people buy them.

[ElectronCharge]

I also have an EV, probably the same one as the grandparent...a Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Long Range. It's rated at 0-60 in 4.8s. It also has good handling, with very little body lean through curves, and a lateral G force of around .85 G.

If I switched to the same tires as the Performance version, that would increase to .95 G. That is better than many legacy sports cars.

Those who love engine noise are the modern equivalent of those who, shortly after cars became mass-market, wanted them to include buggy whips. ;-)

[Rumudiez]

less than 1g is pitiful tbh. I’m no pro but have maxed out the meter on my wee sports car >1g front, left and right. it can only muster 0.5g accel so it’s worse than a tesla, am I right? having put in some serious miles on a model 3, those electrics are in another league — below

[caconym_]

More spec sheet flexing, more assumptions that for owners of internal combustion sports cars it's all about the noise. More projection. Another person who just doesn't get it.

I'm sorry to be harsh in this thread, but it's always odd to find these weird empathetic blind spots in people.

[wredcoll]

The article literally brags about how loud the car is (and makes it sound likr it was modified to be louder?) so it seems like a reasonable point to take issue with.

Fortunately or unfortunately, driving a car is a public activity and even as a hobby, other people are going to be exposed to it in a way that you just don't get from, say, building model boats out of toothpicks.

I'm a big fan of people having hobbies and enjoying them, but we live in a dense and crowded world where stuff like a loud car can negatively affect literally hundreds of other people.

[caconym_]

The comments I've replied to in this subthread have nothing to do with the aftermarket exhaust issue. It's just people who've never driven a real sports car (at any price point) posting numbers from the Tesla spec sheets.

[ElectronCharge]

You're absolutely wrong on both points in my case.

I've driven many "real sports cars", and I'm not not just "posting numbers from the Tesla spec sheets", my Model Y is my daily driver.

Ironically, you're the one "projecting".

[mukbangpervert]

BEVs are great for non-enthusiasts whose goal is to be transported, but in their current incarnation they are _abysmal_ for people whose goal is _to drive_.

And people who brag about the performance specs of a car whose main selling point is that it requires no skill or attention to drive are missing the point entirely.

[caconym_]

100%. And to be clear I have no problem with BEVs or boring cars (there is some overlap). I own an extremely boring car, a CR-V hybrid, and it's a fantastic family hauler.

Thinking about it now, I suppose I didn't feel any need for my family hauler to have a hot 0-60 time. It will apparently do mid eighties on the skidpad, which really underlines how useless that metric is for describing real world cornering performance---it's unapologetically a boat.

[voidUpdate]

I'd love to understand why people buy cars to make noise with them then. Because making a car sound broken seems to be the goal of a lot of "car people"

[ElectronCharge]

By the way, the stock Corolla GR can pull right around .95 G, just like the Model Y Performance...

[caconym_]

Who cares? Static skidpad performance has very little to do with how engaging a car is to drive, and engagement is what somebody buying a GRC (or a GR86, or a Miata, etc.) is looking for.

[ElectronCharge]

One is an objective measurement, the other is a completely subjective judgement.

As they say, there's no accounting for taste...

[caconym_]

I mean, engagement aside, you are really just showing your ignorance here if you think skid pad max G is a useful metric to capture real world cornering performance except in extremely broad strokes.

If you want an objective measurement that will usefully speak to how these cars feel to drive vs. each other, check out how much they weigh!

[tiew9Vii]

Your unexotic stock electric car drives and feels like a white goods appliance though.

Sure electric in raw numbers wins on top trumps.

This is fine for a lot of people who want to go to A to B and car is just a tool to do that

Cars like the GR Corolla are about the engaging driving experience, the road feel / handling, the gear shifts, usable power, not outright top speed. It's a machine and some people like mastering controlling the machine and that mastery makes them smile, some even find fun.

[voidUpdate]

What kind of white goods appliance? My washing machine is very different to my fridge, in basically every way, other than it being white goods

[englishspot]

it's not just about straight line performance. lots of subie fans won't trade their STI for the current gen WRX, even though the engine is way better, because the driving dynamics are just not as good.

that said, it's possible to have a fun ICE car and not build it in a way that your neighbors will hate you.

[la_oveja]

this car is about handling in the twisties, not on straigh line.

if you care about performance, you should know that its not only momentary performance what matters, but sustaining it and on repeated occasions. this car is made to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads. a electric car overheats its battery and its brakes due to their weight.

the thing most close to electric sport car must be the ionic 5n. the rest is just old people saying "hey look how fast i can launch this car on the highway"

ps: most car people dont care about performance, but about the thrill and the emotion of driving

[floatrock]

This guy's car may be designed to be driven hard in a circuit or mountain roads, but that ain't what this guy is doing:

> Now when I hit a loopy freeway interchange at night and my GR Corolla carves through the turn, it’s 1996 and I’m cruising in my CRX, getting pho in San Gabriel or rushing to a flyer party at Naga in Long Beach.

So doing the famous LA Stop-and-Go Freeway Circuit.

> We published our own magazines, built our own businesses, and for good and bad, promoted our own outlaw street racer image and our own beauty standard.

Or hitting the 4-way-intersection midnight drift curves.

Lets be honest, most people who drive these kinds of cars drive as many circuits as the average F-150 owner drives on western canyon dirt tracks.

Some do, sure, and if you do that, great, get the best tool for your job. But most people only daydream about these things and simply want the image as an escape from the existential meaningless of their suburban lives (is the op's "midlife crisis" title snark or an actual cry for meaning?)

I'm not gonna prevent people from spending their money on their hobbies, do whatever floats your boat. But if your hobbies are really just reving a loud engine from one strip mall red light to the next red light 1/4 mile down the road, well, that's not the thrill and the emotion of driving, that's a desperate display of loneliness and disconnection.

[100percentjake]

This is very funny when talking about the GR Corolla specifically because it is notorious for overheating its AWD system after more than a handful of laps of a racetrack.

[ElectronCharge]

I've yet to have any issues with the battery overheating, and most if not all of the braking is regenerative (no brake pad wear).

[Rumudiez]

the first time I drove a model 3 I felt like I couldn't stop. it's on par with my 80s van that has drum brakes on the rear. the brakes just aren't good enough for sport, the car weighs too much. if this is hard to understand, you're living in a different world from motorsports enthusiasts

[frollogaston]

You don't need to drive race cars to understand that a Tesla Model 3 stops faster than an 80s van with drum brakes. Sure, probably not as good as a sports car.

[Rumudiez]

The van weighs 1500lbs less and has discs up front. It’s seriously not that far off

[lelanthran]

> Do you care about performance, or do you just want to just fart out a bunch of noise?

WTF are you talking about? MREs will give you your daily nutrition, can be cheaper than actual meals, and definitely wins points against meals, but I don't see puritannical arguments about "Why do you need a real carrot anyway? Taste is overrated" everywhere.

> I get traditional car culture, but electrics embody the "money talks, wealth whispers" truism.

Sorry, wrong. It's basically lack of taste.

[mrguyorama]

You make this comment as if this exact argument didn't happen 6 times in the past decade when talking about Huel and Soylent