[dheera]

You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick.

You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary.

You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets.

My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

[____mr____]

You already have to provide your passport/health insurance/legal id which already has your identity to your airline/doctor/employer. Why is this suddenly a problem when it is digitized?

[roundabout-host]

Because it requires Android or iOS.

[toasty228]

You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it.

idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ?

Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

[rcbdev]

> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data?

Many people in the Western Europe used, until very recently, prepaid anonymous mobile data cards that they recharged monthly with charging vouchers paid for in cash.

All this ended in the last 5 - 10 years. The U.S.-American corporate glass citizen slave mentality is actually a little tad bit new here, thus the outrage.

[watwut]

You have it other way round. USA had burner anonymous cards when European countries did not.

[rcbdev]

Yes. Had.

In Europe it was the norm far longer than in the U.S.A.

[watwut]

Where exactly in Europe? Countries I interacted with did not had anonymous burner phones. You could buy prepaid card, but you had to show your id and give out your name. You had contract like any other (contract for that number).

Prepaid card was just a payment thing, not anonymity thing. I know, because I functioned on prepaid cards for anonymity unrelated reasons.

[rcbdev]

Czechia, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Portugal, Croatia, etc. pp.

[fsflover]

> You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it.

Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit? Will it be stored and processed by every shop you enter? If not, how is this relevant here? Currently, the personal data exists but is not accessed by anyone unless it is really required. And even then, the scope can be minimized if the user wants.

> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ?

Yes. I use Whonix on Qubes to access HN and other websites.

> but for the average HN shitposter who's already terminally online it really doesn't change much

Speak for yourself.

[toasty228]

> Do you have to present this ID for every purchase you make or every website you visit?

Basically yes, your mobile connection is attached to a name, your landline is attached to a name, your adresse too, the card you use to pay online too.

[rcbdev]

That is totally incorrect for many parts of Europe. Pre-paid anonymous sim cards were used by the majority of mobile users until very recently.

[fsflover]

Websites do not have access to any of these, do they?

[toasty228]

Well yeah, and that's why we use a third party app instead of having each website implement their own half assed solutions. That's like the entire point of this thing...

[fsflover]

In this thread, we are talking about the current state of affairs, not the age verification app.

[roundabout-host]

Because now the digital version will require Android or iOS, which are proprietary, locked-down, crippled, American platforms.