[ZpJuUuNaQ5]

>I used to think that it was kind of good to train your immune system (kind of whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger). I no longer believe that.

Well, that's essentially what vaccines do, anyway, except that they train the immune system without requiring you to go through the full disease. As a side note, I developed myocarditis after a COVID vaccine which damaged heart tissue and caused an AV block.

[grayhatter]

I'm interested in your perspective, Do you think you're more mad you got the vaccine, or more greatful that you did because an organic infection would have done more damage?

[realo]

The more interesting question is whether he would have got the myocarditis if he had not taken the vaccine.

I think he would have. And might have died of COVID on top of it.

[grayhatter]

> I think he would have. And might have died of COVID on top of it.

That's my assumption as well, and exactly why I'm curious. That is something I'd assume is a lot easier to believe when it's just the theory. But if I developed a heartblock, I might not be able to rest on that reality. I'm kinda wondering how much confidence they place in that as the inevitability.

I asked because I was thinking about that Jimmy Carr joke, "Do you think we overreacted to covid?" the crowd cheers. "Yeah all the survivors usually think so!". And wondering how true it is, whit some perspective I don't have :)

[pstuart]

I too have long wondered about this -- it makes complete sense. What confuses me is that this subject hasn't been properly explored and/or communicated (AFAIK).

[serf]

it's estimated around 5% of people remained covid-free & vaccine-free. I guess it's an easy guess that they would've caught it, but it's not certain.

[ZpJuUuNaQ5]

>might have died of

Good. I wish I did.

[ZpJuUuNaQ5]

>because an organic infection would have done more damage

That's not something I'll even know. Also, the question assumes that I have had an organic infection at some point, which, to the best of my knowledge, I did not. I am not grateful to have a pacemaker at 29.

[Enginerrrd]

That’s impossible to know either way.

[grayhatter]

I'm not asking for evidence, just vibes. I like to think I'd have the perspective to be grateful, but I also know it's just as likely I'd be searching for something to blame other than just the statistics.

[Enginerrrd]

I think what I mean is just that from an individual standpoint we can’t really answer that and it’s not how vaccine evidence is collected or decisions are made. Those are always made at the population level. (Vaccine harms 1 in every 100, disease 10/100, ergo better to get the vaccine). But this says very little or nothing even about that 1/100 that was harmed. They definitely might have been better off not getting it.