[solenoid0937]

It has got to be one of the most insane takes I've read on HN, which to be fair has been trending towards "unhinged" when it comes to Anthropic and AI safety.

Compute multipliers are like a quant firm's trading algorithms. They're the crown jewels, the whole alpha of the lab. If you leak them, the lab dies.

Protecting them does not make Dario a villain, it's literally his job. It's also Sam's job, Denis's job, Mira's job, etc. Every lab guards these multipliers closely because they represent the entire worth of the lab.

[Der_Einzige]

The fact that they don’t release model weights for free to download on huggingface means that Sam, Mira, Dario, etc are ontologically evil and may they all reincarnate as either durian fruits or cockroaches, ideally as durian fruit infested with cockroaches…

[stingraycharles]

Is this a serious take or sarcasm?

[solenoid0937]

Sometimes you just gonna channel your inner Karp

[Der_Einzige]

I’m dead serious.

[alightsoul]

So how can Deepseek publish them without killing themselves?

[estearum]

Because they are a state-owned enterprise tasked with destroying the aforementioned alpha of private American labs...?

[alightsoul]

oh here we go again saying everything in china is done by the state. it's not a democracy but they're not the soviet union either. if that were true, why don't they have just one model initiative instead of several?

[estearum]

Oh yeah that's a good point. In that case, this Chinese hedge fund is choosing to sink billions of dollars in R&D alongside vast opportunity cost in order to create models and release them for free because umm... they're just that nice!

No wonder you're confused about DeepSeek when you have a fairly obvious explanation provided to you, and your response is "it's unrealistic to think the Chinese Communist Party is behaving like communists."

> if that were true, why don't they have just one model initiative instead of several?

Because value exists at several layers of the product hierarchy? I.e. for the exact same reason that the for-profit labs don't have just one model initiative?

[alightsoul]

so you can't believe a private enterprise in a non democratic country can be capitalist. surely there must be state involvement because they aren't democratic and it's open weights which is definetely not just a marketing tactic because you definetely can run it on a desktop. companies like alibaba have 1 model initiative spread across several fields. so basically China for some unexplainable reason has duplicate models. (it's because they have a capitalist economy, even though the government is not democratic)

to you, it's plainly obvious that a non american, non-european company engaging in open source and releasing research means they are state owned and seek to destroy the US when this line of thinking is exactly the result of the red scare.

[estearum]

It has nothing to do with democracy and I don't know why you keep injecting that. There's state involvement because it's a communist country. You should let the CCP know that their government is uninvolved and lacks effective control over the top AI labs in their country. They would be very surprised to hear this and they may reward you for your valuable information.

> to you, it's plainly obvious that a non american, non-european company engaging in open source and releasing research means they are state owned and seek to destroy the US when this line of thinking is exactly the result of the red scare.

No, that's not really my argument. You should stop raising strawmen.

[solenoid0937]

Their alpha has been discovered by the other labs. If they took the lead they obviously would not give that up freely.