[messe]

> Distilling a model is a method that can push the entire market to low margins and prevent companies from making money off such research

Then it's on Anthropic to actually price their models accordingly so that distilling isn't profitable. Why does this need a legal remedy when market forces could easily resolve this?

> Is it in the interest of the USA, probably no

Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology.

[breppp]

> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology.

In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that

[vrganj]

When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?

[breppp]

The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are two such examples

Generally Communist nations historically favored technological development to human life in the scale of millions, keep that in mind when we enter a new economic revolution

[vrganj]

The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement.

On a related note, around 300k people die in the US every year due to causes directly attributable to poverty. [0]

In other words, ~a million every three years.

Now what?

[0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/

[youre-wrong3]

On one side you have people starving because they are forced to grow food which is effectively stolen and sold to enrich the party. People killed fr starvation, or by the party if you didn’t contribute enough, ate some, stole some. So the deaths are the direct result of the CCP.

Vs a study which suggests 183-300k where you take the high end and seem to read about the vast range of causes of which a lot are not very much attributable to poverty.

[vrganj]

And on the other side you have people dying because they are denied food, shelter and healthcare as a policy choice.

It's not that they can't be taken care of. It's just that it'd cost money and eat profit margins.

It's an active political and ideological choice to let them die, same in both cases. Just happens to be an ideology you agree with and feel a need to defend.

The 180k are currently poor people, the 300k people poor over the past 10 years (which includes the 180). Didn't take the larger number, took the one that more accurately applied.

[breppp]

> The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement.

If both the USSR and the CCP had millions killed in the process of modernization, without stopping when knowing the death toll, maybe there's intent after all?

How would you describe the cultural revolution then? another case of economic mismanagement?

[vrganj]

I noticed you haven't addressed my main point at all. What are the millions dying of poverty every few years in the US (in a country with like a quarter of the population!), a death toll that still hasn't been stopped?

Is there intent there as well?

[tw1984]

40 years ago, when the CCP was leading its people making toys and socks for the US, people like you who never made any change to the world were talking such ideological nonsense.

40 years on, when the CCP is leading its people making AI, robotics, drones, EVs, space station and moon rovers to compete with the US, people like you how never made any change to the world are talking such ideological nonsense.

you live in a history museum or something like that?

[breppp]

I don't know about me effecting change to the world but I am sure the tens of millions that died due to the Great Leap Forward were happy to effect change to the world so others could produce those socks