[blitzar]

> if you decide to go to China one day they might already have all the data

PRISM ... XKeyscore ...

> The US is certainly inching in that direction

Itching to go in a direction that (publicly known) they have been in for decades now.

[ianm218]

The US government is no saint in terms of mass surveillance but there is a gigantic gulf between US governments mass surveillance and China, I think to act otherwise is a bit disingenuous.

[LtWorf]

At this point i think the china mass surveillance was propaganda while the USA one is for real.

[ianm218]

Could you flesh this out more? The Chinese surveillance state is pretty well documented by academics [1] I'd be curious to see what makes you think that is fake news or whatever.

[1]. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/10/1060982/china-pa...

[blitzar]

Sorry I cant take anyone who keeps a straight face while suggesting one is worse than the other.

At that point it is not disingenuous, its brain washed.

[ianm218]

I'm not being intentionally disingenuous my model of the situation is the US does mass surveillance and China does it at a much larger scale with much less restrictions. For example, China and the US have roughly the same amount of cameras per capita... but the Chinese government generally owns all the cameras and can query across them while as far as I know it is relatively hard for US gov to get access to public cameras.

Could you point me towards something that corrects me where I'm wrong i.e. not that they both don't do it but that they are doing mass surveillance at similar scales?