[Jonovono]

Man, I don't know. LLMs (with the good and bad) feel like the first time a tool has genuinely been an extension of me. And quite the opposite. I'm a quite introverted person. Spending time in a meeting or talking with other humans I find quite exhausting. I don't really get that at all with talking with LLMs.

[iwontberude]

It’s because large language models give a variable reward and it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized.

[mewpmewp2]

That is interesting, but also I do wonder, what in life doesn't have a variable reward? You could say that any routine activities like maybe cleaning, etc, is all the same, but most non routine things in life seem like they would have variable reward?

E.g. talking to people definitely yields in very variable rewards, if you do non routine work, there's constant variable rewards, etc.

[Joel_Mckay]

Happiness is derived from a balance of a meaningful life, and pleasant experiences we may choose.

Also, one may have no pain or concerns, and still existentially despair over a meaningless life built on intelligence campaigns exploiting millions of people.

Only psychopaths find short lived joy in harming others, and only make up around 1% of general populations. Have a wonderful day =3

[mewpmewp2]

I think happiness is very complicated. Would you think there's a perfect formula to follow that will yield you the "happiness"? And how does this relate to different brain wirings of different people? Would you say per brain wiring there's a different specific ideal formula one would have to follow? E.g. there's some base things like getting proper sleep, exercise, diet, but then there's some more specific things for that brain wiring?

[Joel_Mckay]

>Would you think there's a perfect formula

The advice comes from coursework most medical students must do in year 2. It is backed by research data on integrated healthcare programs.

Simply avoiding misery is not the whole equation. =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1mTELoj6o

[mewpmewp2]

Would you say you are happy as in you have solved happiness for yourself?

[akramachamarei]

> it’s essentially an addiction that many people have not even recognized

A little patronizing, no? Maybe some people actually like it, even if you or I don't.

[fcarraldo]

Yep, LLM chat is classic skinner box design. It’s effectively gambling.

[russ-curry]

It's a slot machine that plays you.

[tptacek]

In what sense is this true that isn't true of a simple web search?

[mewpmewp2]

And on the other hand talking to people, but I guess most extroverts in a way are "addicted" to talking to people as well, so it's a fair comparison. From my personal experience talking to people can end in wildly differing and unexpected results. In fact, I think rewards from LLMs are way more static as opposed to rewards from talking to people.

[Joel_Mckay]

A web search doesn't use isomorphic plagiarism of naive users work to sell to other users.

LLM are actually good at context search, but are mostly not being used as intended. The LLM hype bubble has to end sooner or later. =3

[mewpmewp2]

How does that answer the question or relate to variable reward and addiction mechanisms? This just seems another unrelated negative sentiment argument towards LLMs?

[Joel_Mckay]

Not really, people are simply fooled by pernicious sycophantic idealism, and their own cognitive biases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk

LLM are great for context search, but were never real "AI" in any sense except in media/PR sensationalism. Scientific hubris and unethical use of LLM is interesting as exposes the primitive impulsive nature of many. Best of luck =3

[Joel_Mckay]

They used to call it schizophrenia, and put people in padded rooms for such delusions. Now, "AI" ego manipulation is a mental dildo for people that should know better philosophically. However, we shouldn't kink shame, so give this post a thumbs-down if you agree. lol =3