[jmward01]

In a sane administration, the complete and total lack of judgement that allowed vaccine mandates to go away should have led to an instant loss of confidence in sec def and anyone in the chain that didn't raise concerns about that decision. Anyone that studies even the slightest amount of military history knows that disease used to kill more people in war than bullets until -very- recently. The fact that potentially the single most effective combat enabler is not taken seriously shows the complete and utter lack of qualifications the people this administration puts into positions of power.

[Ferret7446]

There's a double layer of irony here, where the people criticizing people of the ignorance of "unintended" consequences of vaccine fear will play defense for the unintended consequence of causing that fear by the extremely aggressive pushing of vaccine policies during covid

[0xbadcafebee]

If it was Ebola instead of COVID-19, 1000% guaranteed that all those antivaxxers would have been banging down the doors to get a vaccine, and would have been raging if the government hadn't rushed it out. All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life.

2 million dead Americans later and people still complain that they were asked to get a vaccine to try to save lives. or complain about a shutdown which should have lasted a few months max if people had done what they were supposed to and would have saved millions of lives.

[hammock]

> If it was Ebola instead of COVID-19, 1000% guaranteed that all those antivaxxers would have been banging down the doors to get a vaccine

Sadly, no. There is a theory that Ebola cases are really just arsenic poisoning from the mines in the area. That’s the kind of narrative that would take hold realistically.

I would also point out that prior to Bidens election it was mostly Democrats who were saying they weren’t going to take the vaccine when it came out, that it would be rushed and have something wrong with it.

[jghn]

> it was mostly Democrats who were saying they weren’t going to take the vaccine

Sadly, no. I live in one of the bluest corners of the US. A constant discussion was when the jab would come available so that we could get it. I knew no one who didn't want it.

[Terr_]

> prior to Bidens election it was mostly Democrats who were saying they weren’t going to take the vaccine

Nope, look at Figure 10 in this poll [0]. Asked about a hypothetical vaccine in the next ~2 months before the election was held, the answer "Yes, would want to get vaccinated" was 50% for Democrats and only 36% for Republicans.

Democrats may have become more confident after the election--for damn good reasons--but there was no flip or reversal.

[0] https://www.kff.org/health-information-trust/kff-health-trac...

[lmm]

> All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life.

Suppose you're right. They're still entitled to their views, they're entitled to honesty from their government, and frankly I'd say the government should not be trying to coerce people into taking an officially-experimental vaccine by the back door any more than they should be directly forcing people to do so.

> 2 million dead Americans later

Maybe. Depends very much on who's doing the calculations.

> complain about a shutdown which should have lasted a few months max if people had done what they were supposed to

Bullshit. Countries with much higher social compliance saw the same endless lockdowns.

[jghn]

> taking an officially-experimental vaccine by the back door

Two things.

1) mRNA technology was not experimental

2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door

[lmm]

> 1) mRNA technology was not experimental

Perhaps, but the specific vaccines were.

> 2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door

As I'm sure you understood, I was talking about coercion by the back door - the whole "we're not going to force individuals to vaccinate, but we're going to force restaurants and gyms to require vaccination" approach. (And don't try to say it was an objective public health measure - if that was the case they would've made natural immunity as acceptable as vaccination)

[wmeredith]

I'll bite. The Covid vaccines were extremely effective. This information brought to us by a data leak of the report blocked by the US government...

"NEW YORK (AP) — A study on COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness has finally been published after being blocked from a government health journal.

The vaccine was found to be about 55% effective against COVID-19-associated hospitalizations, and reduced COVID-19-related trips to emergency departments and urgent care clinics by 50%, according to the study published Tuesday by JAMA Network Open."

https://apnews.com/article/cdc-covid-vaccine-effective-study...

[Terr_]

I dare a grammarian to take the above-sentence and diagram it out. No, I'm not "feigning surprise", I am legitimately struggling to figure out exactly who's being blamed for what.

[Terr_]

Some minutes later, and this is my best guess in the form of original with code comments. I got to the end and then backfilled the group names.

    There's a double layer of irony here,        # There is something wrong and hypocritical.
                                                 #
    where the people                             # People who thought vaccines were good
    criticizing people                           # criticized anti-vaxxers,
    of the ignorance                             # saying the anti-vaxxers didn't realize
    of "unintended" consequences                 # the damage they would cause
    of vaccine fear                              # by scaring everyone away from proper treatment.
                                                 #
    will play defense                            # Those people give excuses
    for the unintended consequence               # for the problem they actually created
    of causing that fear                         # by MAKING the anti-vaxxers afraid in the first place
    by the extremely aggressive pushing          # since they tried too hard
    of vaccine policies during covid.            # to get everyone vaccinated to stop the virus.

So, unless I've taken a wrong turn somewhere... *sigh* Helllll no. That's trying to disclaim all responsibility from the group of people who made the mistake.

Compare to: "Well, the car I was driving is wrecked, and it's all your fault! You should have known that I don't like being told what do to, so by telling me to slow down you forced me to accelerate into that barrier to prove that you aren't the boss of me. We could have avoided this whole mess if you'd simply babied my special needs and irrationalities like an adult."

[jmye]

Anyone who “fears” vaccines because the government said they were a good idea (with provable statistics instead of whatever nonsense you read on Facebook) is a fucking doorknob. Full stop.

Some of you need to realize that writing some React pages doesn’t actually make you a polymath.