[lmm]

> All their antivax outrage was because they didn't think they personally were going to die from COVID, and didn't want to help save anyone else's life.

Suppose you're right. They're still entitled to their views, they're entitled to honesty from their government, and frankly I'd say the government should not be trying to coerce people into taking an officially-experimental vaccine by the back door any more than they should be directly forcing people to do so.

> 2 million dead Americans later

Maybe. Depends very much on who's doing the calculations.

> complain about a shutdown which should have lasted a few months max if people had done what they were supposed to

Bullshit. Countries with much higher social compliance saw the same endless lockdowns.

[jghn]

> taking an officially-experimental vaccine by the back door

Two things.

1) mRNA technology was not experimental

2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door

[lmm]

> 1) mRNA technology was not experimental

Perhaps, but the specific vaccines were.

> 2) I don't know about you but I got my shot in the shoulder, not the back door

As I'm sure you understood, I was talking about coercion by the back door - the whole "we're not going to force individuals to vaccinate, but we're going to force restaurants and gyms to require vaccination" approach. (And don't try to say it was an objective public health measure - if that was the case they would've made natural immunity as acceptable as vaccination)

[Arodex]

>And don't try to say it was an objective public health measure - if that was the case they would've made natural immunity as acceptable as vaccination)

It was an objective public health measure, because it is well-known from actual examples that opening such option would lead people to try to get infected instead of being vaccinated, breeding even more variants and hospital saturation.

Note also that "previous contamination" has never been an acceptable derogation in any public health system for any of the compulsory vaccinations.