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> Between October 7, 2023 and October 7, 2025, at least 20,179 children were killed, around 30% of the overall death toll.

> A rebuttal shared by Israel's mission in Geneva said Israel "consistently strives to minimize harm to children even in situations of conflict".

Well, it is certainly no question that Israel is killing children en masse.

Israeli officials are saying “but we are trying to minimize”. Well, these attempts clearly failed given 20,179 fatal cases, and let’s also consider all physically injured and traumatized children.

Still, as of today, Israel is killing a child per day in Gaza [1].

So either it is complete incompetence of Israels warfare methods, or it is done on purpose. No matter how you try to frame it, package it: this is not right and Israel should be sanctioned internationally.

Fundamentalists rule this nation. Sanction them, no weapon exports and their actions are not aligned with their official rhetoric.

Also, October 7, October 7, October 7. Yes, horrible, but at what point does the consensus become that October 7 starts to look like a small event in light of the death toll on the other side?

Spoiler: we should be way beyond that. Over 97% of all total casualties are on the Palestinian side [2].

Sanction Israel.

[1] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

[olelele]

Thank you for stating the case better than I ever could.

[lovelyviking]

Thank you for swallowing lies so smoothly and better then I ever could or even imagined.

[Zvez]

> Yes, horrible, but at what point does the consensus become that October 7 starts to look like a small event in light of the death toll on the other side

At the point when other side (free palestine and alike) start acknowledging it. Two wrongs don't make something right.

Start with teaching Palestine supporters that hamas is not the answer. And maybe, maybe after that people start seeing Palestine people as victims. Without it, most people will continue supporting Israel, not because they think that it does no wrong. But in comparison with hamas and their supporters Israel is lesser evil.

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> most people will continue supporting Israel

Your perspective is divorced from reality.

Across the 36 countries, a median of 67% of adults have an unfavorable view of Israel, while 25% have a favorable view [1].

[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/06/04/most-peop...

[olelele]

To go back a long long while, the Israeli state was also founded by religious paramilitary organizations. Irgun et al.

Hamas IS the only organization to survive Israeli assasinations & internal conflict. Why is it there are no secular Palestinian groups left?

IMO Hamas / Netanyahu & the Kahanists are both the worst possible leadership on both sides.

The Kahanists literally murdered the Israeli prime minister for shaking hands w Arafat.

[lorecore]

> maybe after that people start seeing Palestine people as victims. Without it, most people will continue supporting Israel

Most of the world sees Palestinians as the victims and Zionists are very much the global minority. Hamas made that a reality, so I think they are the answer. I certainly support their resistance to Zionism, just like the Haitian slave revolt.

[kykeonaut]

In what world is 20,179 dead children the lesser of two evils?

[gershy]

The pro-israel argument is that hamas are almost entirely to blame for those numbers (as they use civilian infrastructure for war purposes)

[hardbass]

Almost all Israelis are IDF members, members of various intelligence and defense companies. If we plotted a map of a suitable attack radius around all valid combat targets in Israel, almost the entirety of their "civilian" regions would be covered.

[gershy]

The idf doesn't fight near civilian infrastructure - it deploys to the borders. Military bases in israel are far from civilian infrastructure. I think you're probably just wrong here.

[hardbass]

That's another fun one. Israel doesn't seem to mind launching missiles at non-serving non-military officers who are living in neutral countries like Qatar, and killing unrelated Qatari civilians in the process. So I would say by the same precedent, anyone has served or is serving in the IDF, which obviously would live in the cities as most of the population is a valid target.

[manyaoman]

Start with teaching Israel supporters that IOF is not the answer. And maybe, maybe after that people start seeing Israelis as victims. Without it, most people will continue supporting Palestine, not because they think that it does no wrong. But in comparison with IOF and their supporters Palestine is lesser evil.

Fixed that for you.