[b--l]

Codex is one of the most infamous examples of slopware. Just having the window unhidden on my mac will cause it to use 100% of the GPU displaying the spinner message.

THE SPINNER MESSAGE CAUSES 100% GPU USAGE ON AN MBP M5!!

So any time you're waiting on the model (which is 90% of the time), your fans will be blasting (careful, don't use it on battery).

The issue is on github and close to 6 months old. Probably since the release of vibe coded junk. I would literally fix it myself but it's closed source for whatever reason.

There are many discussions about which model is better, or if vibe coding is even possible. I point you to the extent of what one of the most well funded, money flush, well staffed model making companies can do with vibe coding.

To me a screwup this bad (where the CEO has already made it clear they're now "focussing on coding") indicates that there's something truly broken in the company. No one on polymarket expects them to have a leading model any time soon for example.

It's a tragedy. The world needs competition to anthropic.

[jofzar]

> Codex is one of the most infamous examples of slopware

Woah, let's not forget Claude code is right there

[kokada]

Not that Claude Code is much better, I just hit this issue[1] because it seems setting DO_NOT_TRACK=1 seems enough to get a really strange behavior in the newest versions of CC.

[1]: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/69238#issue...

Edit: I think I misunderstood OP, they're saying that CC is even worse and not better than Codex CLI.

[mvATM99]

Yeah exactly.

I'm not exactly building TUI's every day, but even i felt pain when i read that "small game engine" post

[r_lee]

if we are at 10x with AI and near AGI or ASI, then how is it possible that these products (Codex, Claude Code CLI) are still such garbage?

shouldn't this "agentic AI revolution" have long solved this already?

no way they're over there saying "we are on it plz wait" or that "it's too much effort"?

[igleria]

This is the biggest elephant in the room I have seen in my decade+ career. At the same time, look how bad Apple is in software compared to its hardware... It's not an AI only problem, it's almost like software in general gets a free pass on being very unsafe or low quality because no one wants to face the same "profit reducing red tape" that civil engineers or similar face.

[CharlieDigital]

Anthropic were the progenitors of the Model Context Protocol. Claude Code does not fully implement the client end of the protocol. A protocol; a literal pre-defined spec that an agent should be able to one-shot. Neither does Codex. Codex does not implement MCP Prompts.

(I want Codex to implement MCP Prompts because then we have one central way to ship skills from a server).

The fact that neither platform can implement a protocol given what is functionally infinite frontier model tokens really says a lot. I do not care what kind of random project some influencer can ship with a swarm of 1000 agents. If you cannot make the basics work, it is a farce.

[user43928]

The products generally work just fine on my MacBook.

I have not encountered major issues in either the Claude Code CLI, the Codex Desktop app, or Claude Desktop app.

They generally get the job done. I don't measure disk writes or analyze the GPU usage.

[fg137]

You are asking too many good questions.

[xpct]

Well thank you for your service. I thought about trying out Codex after the disaster that is Claude Code. I'll be fine without either one on my machine

[jofzar]

Imo codex is significantly better then Claude code for me ATM.

[comboy]

I mean, Codex CLI is really bad. But Claude's CLI is so much worse.

Welcome to the world of tomorrow!

[energy123]

Let me guess, there's also a bug where they train on all our data?

[l33tman]

This was fixed long ago, if I'm thinking of the same bug. It was stuck in an inf loop all the time the codex window was open.

[cncjvu7]

Nah it's still doing weird shit. Uninstalled that crapware last week.

[nicce]

Not only Codex, but I can't leave ChatGPT app in macOS open for few hours, because it will consume 60 gigabytes of RAM over time and crashes all the apps.

Mindboggling. Or can't use Google's AI Studio in browser because it takes 100% CPU.

Need to write own app for everything???

[porridgeraisin]

the damn chat.openai.com webapp lags a lot as well on long chats, typing takes so long.

[hokkos]

is it closed source ? i can see the rust code in repo contrary to the JS in claude code repo, are you mixing them up ?

[nicce]

Codex CLI is the main Rust code. There is Codex Desktop separately, using Electron and the same Codex CLI.

[seviu]

To be fair with Codex, you can use any harness you want with it. Access is not gatekeeper by a crappy full of slop electron app.

So just move to PI, or whatever.

Claude on the contrary, forces all plan users to use their horrible app, which, if you ever dared to use cowork, only once, will run a 2GB VM on app start, no f's given. at all.

Not justifying it. But if you use the official Codex app, thats on you. If you use the official Claude app, it's because you are forced to.

Sidenote unrelated to the post: since the Fable thing, and after serious thinking, I moved to open source models. I still have the basic OpenAI sub, but then easy lifting is now done elsewhere.