[greyman]

>On output tokens, GLM-5.2 is less than a fifth the price of Opus.

Opus is most expensive model in pay as you go model, but IMO fair comparison should include subscription price as well. For example when one has $100 Claude Max and use it up through the month, it might not be more expensive than GLM, or at least not 5x.

[Aozora7]

There is, for example, OpenCode Go subscription, which for $10 a month gives you a decently generous quota of GLM-5.2, among other models.

And z.ai themselves also have subscriptions.

[sourcecodeplz]

to be exact, it gives you USD 60 of usage of open models.

[KronisLV]

> For example when one has $100 Claude Max and use it up through the month, it might not be more expensive than GLM, or at least not 5x.

https://z.ai/subscribe

I’m currently trying to figure out whether a downgrade from Max 5x to Pro in combination with one of those would save me money and if so, how much.

Edit: seems like Anthropic Pro + GLM Pro (Yearly) would let me almost halve my costs of Anthropic Max 5x. Only concerns are about GLM 5.2 not having vision support and also being kinda slower and also not being as good as Opus.

[CuriouslyC]

I'm considering shifting to the OpenAI $20 plan + GLM. OAI has the best computer use, vision support and the best programming intelligence of any model short of Mythos/Fable, and the quota is a lot more generous than the Anthropic $20 plan.

[jameswhitford]

Yes this is true. This test was run on a $20 pro Claude subscription. I would definitely love to try use both models on the highest plans for a whole month and compare the two, great format for a future head-to-head comparison.

[buster]

Is it fair when the one is heavily subsidized and the other one is not?

I think it's most fair to compare the plain token pricing that is used by everyone.

[esperent]

> Is it fair when the one is heavily subsidized

As a consumer, yes, it's totally fair. All that matters to me is the price I pay at the pump, not whether that price is "real" or not.

[usef-]

Z.ai is also believed to be "subsidised". Its parent company is running at a large loss right now.

Anthropic have claimed they expect their first profitable quarter this year -- they may have bigger margins on their raw API than you realise.

[stavros]

We're all sure they have big margins in their raw API, it's the subscription we're claiming is subsidised.

[usef-]

Oh I know. But people often point to the API usage cost as an indicator of the magnitude of subsidisation, or to say that the big labs are far less efficient than cheap competitors.

I'm saying that this is not necessarily the case. They do a lot of optimisation and don't have the same price pressure to lower margins. They may not be losing as much on subscriptions as people think.

[stavros]

Oh hm, I've never seen this. API prices have always been exorbitant, I'm sure they're making good margins on that. Let's hope they aren't losing as much on subscriptions, because I'm not ready for everything to be API costs.

[lithiumii]

GLM has subscription plans too.

[linzhangrun]

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