[nikolay]

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, there's a risk of cancer, which might be curable 5-10-15 years from now, but the risk of side effects is here now... for some. So, it's not always a win-win, and we've got no interest from health authorities in assessing the risk for my other two kids, so they also seem very risk-averse and want us to assume all the negatives.

[apparent]

Yeah I thought about mentioning the fairly rare but awful cases that seem pretty clearly linked to the shot. It may be not very common, but it is a thing, and it's worth considering in the cost-benefit analysis.

[mullingitover]

Anaphylaxis is going to happen something like 3 per million Gardasil doses.

The math doesn’t math on the decision not to get the vaccine unless you know for a fact that you’re going to have an anaphylactic reaction. The risk of cancer is far higher if you choose to take the alternative risk.

[bluedevil2k]

> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months

Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

[qsera]

I have seen a "highly trained specialist" declare that a baby can easily accommodate thousands of vaccines a day (advocating for the then existing vaccine schedule), because the immune system encounter that many pathogens per day!

I hope I don't have to explain the fallacy in that to the crowd here.

[ropable]

There exists a possibility that they were correct and you are not.

[naturalmovement]

Because it's his kid and he can raise her however he wants.

Vaccines represent a calculated risk.

Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed.

[mullingitover]

> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed.

This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."

There are, on the low end, thousands of people who've died of cervical cancer they caught from HPV given to them by their one and only partner.

[naturalmovement]

> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms

You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences.

The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construction.

[mullingitover]

This is interesting but not relevant to the discussion at hand, thanks for the info though!

[naturalmovement]

It's relevant in the same sense that they feel the risk is sufficiently low for their particular circumstances that the threat to their well being is not enough to mandate it.

[apparent]

I don't think fire alarms is the right analogy. More like an Amish person getting antivirus software for their nonexistent computer.

[mullingitover]

That's a broken analogy because everyone has the 'computer,' which in this situation is cells which are capable of being infected.

[ourmandave]

When you got the shot didn't they tell you about the possible side effects and what to watch for?

I know for the Covid vaccine I had to sit for an hour to make sure of something not happening.

[wolvoleo]

When I got it they didn't, no. Didn't have to stay either. But I was fine.