[bluedevil2k]

> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months

Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

[qsera]

I have seen a "highly trained specialist" declare that a baby can easily accommodate thousands of vaccines a day (advocating for the then existing vaccine schedule), because the immune system encounter that many pathogens per day!

I hope I don't have to explain the fallacy in that to the crowd here.

[ropable]

There exists a possibility that they were correct and you are not.

[qsera]

But the larger possibility is that it is the other way around...

[naturalmovement]

Because it's his kid and he can raise her however he wants.

Vaccines represent a calculated risk.

Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed.

[mullingitover]

> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed.

This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."

There are, on the low end, thousands of people who've died of cervical cancer they caught from HPV given to them by their one and only partner.

[naturalmovement]

> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms

You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences.

The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construction.

[mullingitover]

This is interesting but not relevant to the discussion at hand, thanks for the info though!

[naturalmovement]

It's relevant in the same sense that they feel the risk is sufficiently low for their particular circumstances that the threat to their well being is not enough to mandate it.

[mullingitover]

Great point.

Some places, like Denmark, have Cadillac-grade health care systems and are able to manage infectious disease on a national level like a Formula 1 team. They are able to be less stringent because it's far easier to get a handle on disease outbreaks.

Other places, like the US, are running 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier-grade health care system and are able to manage infectious disease on a national level like a group of drunk fraternity members. There's little choice but to use every blanket policy available to try to keep disease in check.

[apparent]

I don't think fire alarms is the right analogy. More like an Amish person getting antivirus software for their nonexistent computer.

[mullingitover]

That's a broken analogy because everyone has the 'computer,' which in this situation is cells which are capable of being infected.

[apparent]

It's not clear my analogy is more broken than yours, which is taken to task elsewhere in this thread. You can't get an STD because your neighbor has unsafe sex; your house can burn down because your neighbor smokes in bed.