[frollogaston]

NIMBY is something different, but I'm a proud NIMBY too. People can vote for what happens in their own towns.

[satvikpendem]

At the expense of the overall economic health of everyone. See the rents in San Francisco for examples compared to places where countries actually build, like Singapore and China.

[frollogaston]

If that's good long-term for the people in SF who've already invested their time and money there, shouldn't be any other way. It's also not some zero-sum game where voting against development always benefits them at the cost of others; sometimes they want development.

[satvikpendem]

It's not good long term for them though, as housing disparity statistically correlates to higher crime.

[frollogaston]

Maybe more development wouldn't have caused lower crime in SF, we won't know. And that's also not the only thing they care about.