[sciencejerk]

Claude Opus 4.6 and 4.8 find vulns in source code just fine and 4.6 will pentest without source for you given a proper harness WITHOUT jailbreaking. WITH jailbreaks, you can probably imagine what they are capable of.

Anthropic guardrails seem to be more about protecting their business (distillation), than they are about public safety.

[dnautics]

public safety is downstream of distillation. If you can distill claude, then no amount of guardrails on claude will protect you from what someone can do with it.

[zozbot234]

Distillation is not a thing unless you actually have the model weights. What people misleadingly call distillation is just training on chat logs, which has always been routine practice in the industry. There's a reason why every model today talks like early releases of ChatGPT.

[senordevnyc]

If most people call it that, including the big labs, then maybe…you’re just out of date?

[ericpauley]

If Anthropic is calling it distillation [1] then that would argue for it being correct (or at least canonical) terminology.

[1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...

[dannyw]

No, a company choosing to use some terminology doesn’t make it correct nor canonical in any sense; especially when they have a vested interest in not being neutral or credible.

If Google starts calling ads “Best Links” that doesn’t make it correct nor canonical; the correct term is still ads.

Traditionally, distillation is when you get the actual logits of a model response (not exposed via API for years) and then use that to train a model.

[cherryteastain]

This logic works only if distilling Claude is the only way to create another SOTA LLM, which is not the case.

[maxdo]

it's not but full path is billions of dollars vs 10-100m range to stay near sota.

the problem is so large scale that distill attempts attribute to a decent share of their token revenue generally.

[sciencejerk]

How do you think the Qwen and MiniMax models perform so similarly to Anthropic frontier models? What is your take then?

[mcmcmc]

They probably stole all the same copyrighted IP

[_3u10]

Probably the same reason a Epyc 9965 from hetzner performs just as well as one from AWS for one tenth the cost.

Anthropic is offering a commodity product and trying to convince you it isn’t.

It’s even in the name, it’s a myth and a fable. Never happened doesn’t exist.

Also I believe at least on coding that qwen is now the frontier model, fable is its copy of frontier models. In the same way that the Ferrari Luce is an expensive imitation of a SU7 Ultra.

[abletonlive]

> Also I believe at least on coding that qwen is now the frontier model

The delusions people live in just to be a hater.

[yeeeloit]

China no. 1?