[tptacek]

It is normal, expected, and healthy for stakeholders in a regulatory environment to offer proposals about regulations. What's unhealthy is the proposition that the deliberation process is so fragile that a stakeholder needs to cover every angle, lest they corrupt the outcome.

[pseudalopex]

It is normal, expected, and healthy to offer criticism of self interested proposals. And mock even. What is unhealthy is to imply someone said what they did not.

[tptacek]

If that's what this is, a bank-shot snarky criticism of the proposal, fair enough. I read it instead as a criticism of a stakeholder having the temerity to make a proposal in the first place. It's not their job to anticipate and capture all your objections. That's your job!

[pseudalopex]

Everyone holds a stake in this discussion. And intellectual honesty is everyone's obligation.

[tptacek]

Yes, that is a shorter way of saying what I just said.

[pseudalopex]

Amodei did not fail to anticipate and capture all objections. He dishonestly avoided well known objections. This was what you meant?

[tptacek]

No, it is not his job to state all the objections you might have to his proposal! That's your job.

[ofjcihen]

What you say is true but completely ignores the obvious ways in which what he is proposing benefits his company.

Its like saying it’s normal for a taxi driver to drive people places while he’s got you handcuffed in the trunk.

[movealongnow]

The person you are responding to is the taxi driver in your analogy. Temper expectations in kind.

[Spartan-S63]

How is the subject of potential regulation considered a stakeholder?

[zoogeny]

That's a bit like asking how the defendant in a legal case is an interested party.

Even if you think someone is guilty, it does make sense to allow them to at least submit their defense. And if they choose to use that time to advocate for their own promotion, let them.

[akerl_]

They’re the most obvious stakeholder… the regulation is going to directly affect them.

[Spartan-S63]

No, the public at large are the stakeholders. The enterprise is the subject of the regulation.

[sdenton4]

"Stakeholder" literally means someone with a stake in the outcome, which is to say, those who will be affected by the decision. That can include a whole range of people+entities, including citizens (as a group) and the companies to be regulated.