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by dnautics 3 days ago
how did they ever survive in the pre-EU/schengen/EEC era?
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Their neighbors were similarly restrictive back then, and the European economy was not as integrated.
> the European economy was not as integrated

And somehow despite this, the European economies had the biggest share of global GDP back then.

And now they're more integrated than ever, have more immigration than ever, have created the EU as their "big daddy" leader and enforcer, and yet they can't stop losing share of GDP to the rest of the world. Stange. Maybe they should hit the brakes for a second and reflect that their current course of action isn't the cure but the disease.

Like ASML, Concorde and Airbus were created via European cooperation when EU was a nascent baby and present day Schengen freedom of movement did not exist. Now we EU bureaucracy, open borders unlimited freedom of movement but haven't created the next Airbus or ASML. Food for thought that the EU is tackling the wrong issues on its economic stagnation. Maybe the solution is not more EU, but less EU.

The root issue was already visible in the 1970s. When birth rates drop below replacement, you eventually end up with a society with more old people than kids. And when you have a society like that, you naturally invest more in maintaining the society and less in building the future.
Yeah lets compare the world now to a world pre rise of Japan, East Asia and China. Im sure less European imtegration would have resulted in Euro dominance continuing.

I agree more bilateral agreements are good but having even more fragmented markets is not and was not a long term model of sucess.

It was simply easier back then, less competition.

> Maybe the solution is not more EU, but less EU.

You haven't given a single reason why that would be beneficial.

Because I'd rather have a change, any change, is better than the current managed decline lead by the EU overseer.
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