[thr1owaway9621]

I started using types with Python in 2018-ish, and I never looked back.

I am not that good a programmer, so maybe I am wrong, but I just like being able to tell what the data is that's moving through the system. Typed function signatures, a little shift+k here and there, a warning that I am trying to add int and a string. I don't see what's the harm in having that?

At the end of the day, if you don't want to use Python with types -- do not. Unless somebody at work is forcing you, and it feels like putting lipstick on a pig (especially with something like numpy that doesn't easily support types)? Then condolences.

[nonethewiser]

But why does your appreciate of type systesm not lead you to something like Typescript? Which is a lot more robust? Or Rust? C#?

I guess my speculation is that not every language is good at everything. Sure you might want a better type system with Rust. But for data science?

[thr1owaway9621]

In practice, inertia is stopping me.

For personal projects, I don't want to learn Rust just so I can do `def add(a: int, b: int) -> int`.

For work, I don't really get a choice. I work on brownfield projects. We do use TypeScript, thankfully, for all the browser bits. But nobody is going to stop to refactor a 5 year old production code base from Python to Go just for better types. And -- pepega -- definitely not our codebase that's full of data sciency stuff (numpy/opencv/pandas). So we live with a not-as-good-as-it-could-have-been type system.

Compromises, man %) One of the constants in life.

[J_Shelby_J]

Meh, the amount of effort required to keep up to date with the python ecosystem churn is around the same as learning rust. More so if you are starting from scratch.

I quit python after realizing the amount of effort it required to just implement the tooling for a project… when all of that comes included with rust. I have spent maybe an hour in the last year thinking about tooling. Glorious.

But yeah, I feel for you. It is an impossible sell when they pay off is impossible to understand without a Time Machine and the only thing known about the cost is that it’s high. But for new people and projects, I can’t imagine starting with python in 2026.

[pmontra]

Which Python tooling? I know that uv is replacing pip but all of my costumers' projects still use pip. One of them installed python with asdf. I can't think about any other tool we are using except Claude, but I don't think that's the kind of tool we are writing about. We deploy with a custom bash script resembling Ruby's Capistrano. Those projects are web apps with server generated HTML.