[pi-err]

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital.

Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself.

This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a strategy but a list of key goals and requirements, put together in technocratic jargon. It will have zero effect on the actual open source ecosystem.

[blitzar]

> True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it

Or you have been brainwashed by the billions spent annually to make you believe stories about bendy bananas and occult initiation ceremonies as a condition of being a member.

[port11]

Care to explain?

[samrus]

> True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital.

Not for me, my opinion of things like GDPR and forcing usbc on phones gives me the impression that the EU is holding corporations accountable and looking out for normal people.

Its been mentioned before but i feel like while alot of negative views might be organic, alot are also the result of tech companies' smear campaigns against the EU

[snowpid]

" True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. " And these criticism destroys any goodwill from me. These are non topics my among political diverse friends. Most people criticise the EU internet regulations are American cry babys. Their arguments are shallow, their knowledge about EU is low.

[dash2]

If your friends have never said “man I hate these cookie popups”, they sound like a highly selected group.

[whilenot-dev]

Don't be silly, the legislation doesn't state that websites have to show cookie popups. It's rather where the term malicious compliance enters the picture, a compliance incentivized by the financial interests of the biggest advertising businesses the world has ever seen.

[M95D]

^ That, and lazy devs who prefer to add a one-line cookie banner js, than review if they need or even use tracking cookies.

[dash2]

Let’s accept for the sake of argument that all the cookie banners are malicious compliance. Fine. Then they should change the law to stop the malicious compliance! Regulation has an outcome nobody likes. Are you gonna wait for every company to stop being “malicious”? Or are you gonna fix the law?

[frankvdwaal]

The latter, obviously, and that is what's happening with the Digital Omnibus.

[enedil]

To be fair, I don't remember people complaining about cookies. The question is fairly simple, etc. Meanwhile ads? They try to steal the attention. So yeah, lots of friends complain about internet ads, not so many about cookies. I'm EU based.

[snowpid]

My friends / co worker are computer and non computer people, hobbys, cultural background. Maybe your friend group is highly selected. Which country are you from?

[iamacyborg]

> Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech.

Are you really trying to suggest that GDPR and PECR are bad pieces of legislation because businesses have decided that they’d prefer to give you a bad UX?

[gib444]

Right. It’s the loopholes that make them bad

[iamacyborg]

What loopholes?

[tcfhgj]

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook?

- pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

[iamacyborg]

NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics.

https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...

[em-bee]

they already won the first instance in austria:

https://noyb.eu/en/court-decides-pay-or-okay-derstandardat-i...

but the banner is still there so they are still fighting.

link found thanks to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48492358

[burnerthrow008]

Cool? So one down, how many to go? Why don't they get the same level of scrutiny as, say, Facebook?

[em-bee]

i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere?

the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.

[em-bee]

the explanation is here:

https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-o...

[red_admiral]

The "legitimate purposes" pre-ticked hidden box on some cookie dialogs, for one.

[iamacyborg]

AFAIK, those are not legally compliant.