[iamacyborg]

> Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech.

Are you really trying to suggest that GDPR and PECR are bad pieces of legislation because businesses have decided that they’d prefer to give you a bad UX?

[gib444]

Right. It’s the loopholes that make them bad

[iamacyborg]

What loopholes?

[tcfhgj]

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook?

- pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

[iamacyborg]

NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics.

https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...

[em-bee]

they already won the first instance in austria:

https://noyb.eu/en/court-decides-pay-or-okay-derstandardat-i...

but the banner is still there so they are still fighting.

link found thanks to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48492358

[burnerthrow008]

Cool? So one down, how many to go? Why don't they get the same level of scrutiny as, say, Facebook?

[em-bee]

i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere?

the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.

[em-bee]

the explanation is here:

https://noyb.eu/en/frequently-asked-questions-about-pay-or-o...

[red_admiral]

The "legitimate purposes" pre-ticked hidden box on some cookie dialogs, for one.

[iamacyborg]

AFAIK, those are not legally compliant.