[atomicnumber3]

Suno is completely incapable of producing heavy metal. I can't speak for other genres bc I don't listen to them, but what it produces is completely hollow and devoid of what makes metal metal. I also think most metal fans will categorically reject AI-made metal on principle.

[Applejinx]

Suno's incapable of making psytrance, which is mind-boggling as that is an intensely repetitive, machine-like genre that should be water off a duck's back to produce.

The problem is that it's doing it by diffusion techniques, so all its high percussion is totally vague and indistinct. Hell, it can't even do a decent psy kick because that too is unspecific and you can't have a psy track that is vague and blunted.

Turns out you can have a production that is hollow, weak and devoid of what makes purely synth machine tracks. It can't get trancey in a serious way because it's not capable of being sharp enough.

Got an example of the genre done properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1KBtI81TY or alternately you could just look up some Infected Mushroom early tracks :)

[alchemism]

That is an illustrative failure. It might be absurdly simple 4/4 pattern progressions which a calculator should be able to automate. But inducing a trance requires consciousness; electrical activity in a meat brain. They will never understand such things.

[skor]

just verified, it cant make a decent techno track, nor a drone track nor anything experimental. Its creativity is subpar, it feels like listening to a producer that knows where things go but is tired of playing, zero interest in creating/ performing, it gives off that kind of vibe

[Chu4eeno]

Just tested google's (lyria, integrated into gemini), and it made an honestly not bad progressive death metal song with female vocals alternating growling and melodic (though I accidentally used gemini pro to forward the prompt to the actual music gen model, so I assume it augmented with something to make it not "generic heavy metal").

[Atiscant]

I mean, even if could produce generic metal would it produce Igorrr? Meshugga? Tim Henson? Baby Metal? All of these are driven by other things then just producing metal. I agree pure AI music would properly rejected unless there was some point to it. I could see it have some part, but then as a weird instrument. Take a model for music, randomly mutate internal weights and then let it produce a drum beat. Keep doing that unless you hit some limit and perhaps that is interesting.

[NewsaHackO]

>will categorically reject AI-made metal on principle.

I think this is a huge part of the reason people sometimes find AI criticism so dismissible; there is always some factor other than the actual product it seems that AI-made assets are judged on. With Suno, the biggest ones I've seen are 1) hating AI-created music by virtue of it being AI-created, and 2) the hate is from people who attempt to generate income from their music production, and Suno made music cuts into that pie.

[hibgymnb]

So heres a suno criticism that has nothing to do with hating AI music on principle:

The most appealing part of my favrorite music is the human element. When I hear someone singing and I know they mean it.

When they tell me a story and I can tell it’s genuine.

When I can relate to what they’re saying and who they are as a human.

Suno will never be able to recreate that.

[pickleRick243]

This is obviously "hating AI music on principle". Your last sentence means that there is literally nothing Suno can produce to change your mind.

Not hating it on principle would be something like "Suno-produced music I've listened to is derivative/soulless and has that annoying AI quality that makes me want to turn it off immediately. Maybe one day it could produce something genuinely moving and beautiful, but I'm skeptical."

[customguy]

They didn't say "genuinely moving and beautiful", they said their favorite music is about "the human element / someone / I know they mean it / I can tell it’s genuine / who they are as a human".

They didn't even say they "hate" other music, either, just that it's not their favorite.

If someone says "I only like green paintings", that excludes red paintings, even ones that have the word "green" written on them. Nothing to "fix" there, if anything, the question is why some people just won't accept that. They are acting oddly, not the people who know what they like and why.

[pickleRick243]

I didn't say there was anything to fix (I didn't use that word). The poster I replied to is free to dislike AI on principle. I'm just pointing out that his dislike of AI is in fact based on principle.

[customguy]

> I'm just pointing out that his dislike of AI is in fact based on principle.

Followed by how to be properly open-minded and not an AI-hater. Yeah, you didn't use those exact words either, but that was the implication.

And "liking humans", that is, preferring them in music (of all things!) isn't "hating AI".

[ai_brain_rot]

Music is fundamentally about connecting with other humans.

AI can’t recreate that.

It can create sounds that are pleasing to the ears, but music is so much more than that.

[LtWorf]

Currently AI music is quite recognisable as such. I don't know if it will get better. But people who listen to music do notice.

[lc9er]

Metal, punk, hardcore - any type of heavy music, really, should reject AI-made slop. If you’re a fan and/or maker of them and are not just wearing the genres as an aesthetic, you fully know they are a rejection of corporate and governmental control.

[spacechild1]

This is really true for most music genres outside the pop mainstream. The idea of AI free jazz is just as absurd as AI punk.

More generally, we think that music (and art in general) is a form of human expression and communication. The very idea of AI music just seems absurd, as it completely misses the point of what constitutes music as an artform. Why should I listen to something that has been produced entirely without human intent? Why should I prefer a cheap simulacrum over the original?

[skor]

follow the money, they wont be selling vinyl but generating streaming revenue, just type in what you know are paying niches and off you go to fill the hard drives with slop to be paid by advertisers on streaming platforms.