[beernet]

> Basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

What? What kind of world view is that? Surely not a factual one.

I have no view here other than what I hear from people and news. What stokes me is that people like you are really shocked and surprised when confronted with the truth.

[stale2002]

Of course it's true.

Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons. Most people aren't stupid enough to think that trying to destroy a country with 200+ nuclear weapons is a good idea.

If they understand this simply idea, that makes them a zionist, almost by definition.

[beernet]

This is total nonsense and you sound like a bot. A bad one at that. This is pathetic.

Fear is not equivalent to zionism. In addition to that, Russia has many more nuclear weapons and is getting destroyed at this very moment.

[stale2002]

> Fear is not equivalent to zionism.

Saying that it's a bad idea to destroy Israel absolutely is Zionist.

It's accepting that Israel will exist and attempts to destroy it should not be enacted. In this case, because of the nuclear war.

> and is getting destroyed at this very moment.

No they aren't. Russia isn't going to collapse as a country. Thats ridiculous. The worst case scenario for them is continued economic damage and a full withdrawal from Ukraine.

But Moscow going under was never on the table, and yeah if it was actually truly threaten by an invading army, I'd absolutely expect nuclear weapons to be in the table.

To apply the same thing to Israel, sure in some wild world that isn't the current universe, I could see them being pushed out of, like their current Lebanon areas and for the fighting to stop in Gaza, ect. And nuclear weapons aren't going to be used.

But that's not the same as Jerusalem being threatened. Yes, if an invade army was taking over half the country, with boots on the ground, yes the nukes would fly.

It arguably almost happened in fact, in one of the previous Arab wars. Nothing even close to that will happen any time soon though (because Israel isn't losing).

[_DeadFred_]

I have met only a handful of Americans that thinks Israel should not exist. They have all been for a two state solution. Yes, basically everyone in the US is a zionist.

[za3faran]

The movement is growing slowly but surely. More and more people want nothing to do with them, and to want to cease sending tax dollars that enable them to continue their atrocities.

[stale2002]

Having opinions on where tax dollars go has little do to with someone advocating for destroying an entire nuclearly armed country.

Basically nobody in the USA wants it do that.

[za3faran]

The implication of stopping tax dollars from going there is that they will not be able to sustain themselves. This is obvious to many people at this point in time, and this latest war against Iran has awakened even more (let alone the ongoing genocide). There are many people in the USA who wish to see the end of colonization of occupied Palestine.

[stale2002]

> they will not be able to sustain themselves

A nuclear armed country wouldn't go down without a fight.

I'm also not sure who is even left to do anything about Israel. The entirety of Gaza is rubble and southern Lebanon is soon to follow. And Iran can't destroy Israel with its dwindling missile stocks, they'd need a ground army for that.

But if it actually came down to it, they would kill every last one of their enemies if their existence was actually threatened.

Given that fact, anyone who's wants it to be destroyed must have a seething deep hatred for the Palestinians and all the rest of the arabs that would die in the process.

I don't think most people out there hate the Palestinians so much that they would want to see them all die in nuclear hellfire, no.

But hey, maybe you know more people than I do that wouldn't care about the millions of Arabs that would die in the inevitable nuclear war.

[za3faran]

Yes we know about what they call the "Samson option". The west supported and allowed an extremely brutal, unhinged colonizer do whatever it wanted right after WW2 and now everyone has to pay the price. If they use it, the entire world will suffer, not just the neighboring region. This is yet another reason why they must be quickly stopped.

We of course care about human life (unlike the occupation). I don't know what will happen. The Assad regime fell in a 10 day period after a decade+ worth of war and conflict. Things may not need to escalate to a full blown ground war, we already hear about of a lot of internal rift among the occupation. They lost 100k+ individuals who left and never came back since 2020 or so. Unlike what the occupation likes to make up, the Palestinians (and Muslims in general) do not have an issue with cohabitating with jews[1]. Many of isarelis are atheist/secular anyway, so their so called claim to the land based on that argument is non-existent, and they would probably be the first to migrate out as we see happening slowly.

[1] https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750