[matchbok3]

You are in the family you help create. It is not just thrust upon you. The existence of despair need not discourage others to thrive.

[willmarch]

That’s assuming no disease, mental illness, unforeseen events, injuries, forced poverty, unexpected deaths, etc. A great deal of family dynamics is outside of a person’s full control.

[thewhitetulip]

That's also neglecting the fact that Indian boomers are very nosy and the culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support. Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help.

[leosanchez]

> culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support.

Really 0 support ? I know many grandparents who entirely took care of their grandkids for 2–3 years. So their kids can work.

Mind you, Not by living in the same city and helping. But taking care of grandkids in their own village / town.

You clearly have no idea of culture nor religion of the country.

[thewhitetulip]

I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality

The thread in which you are commenting is about Indias crashing TFR

Urban India TFR is 1.6

Which means people aren't having kids. Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha

[leosanchez]

> I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality

I suppose you are one of the left wingers who don't know how country used to be before 2014 ?

I am too from the same country. Extrapolating your experience to 1.4 billion people of different languages and cultures is not a sign of intelligent person.

> Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha

Weird that in previous edit you listed out all the supposed problems and then again edited and blamed 1.6 TFR solely on grand parents not supporting.

Looks like you are clutching at straws to justify your point.

[thewhitetulip]

Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation other than trolling or anecdotal examples?

This is not reddit. Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation

You are commenting on a thread where TFR has seena surprise bust. I would have stated examples of Western democracies which provide clean air, good jobs, good public infra that Indian govt is unable to provide and yet their TFR is also going down.

But the difference is, India suddenly had a TFR collapse. Not a gradual one like Japan. That's why Economist published an article and that's why you are commenting on it.

Every other country has seen a gradual decline except India that saw a crash

So I suppose 2 or 3 people whose grandparents support them (as per you) are having 2 kids while others have 1 or 0

Anecdotal evidence isn't much of an evidence because the country is 125 crore people. You are disproving your own point but you can't see that

[trumpdong]

Did the drunk wife-beaters intend to be that way?

[thewhitetulip]

I think you're too idealistic (or of right wing ideology). The culture aka parents inlaws and random aubties and uncles pressurize Indian couples to have 1 kid then 2nd kid then 3rd kid

But neither of them come to help these days with childcare. Just for the photos and for lolz

Very few couples have kids of their own violitin

Not to mention some religious sects/cultures who look down upon contraceptives due to religious beliefs

So yeah, loads of parents become parents by accident and not by their own choice. (Not saying everyone is like this but a large number is like this)