[leosanchez]

> culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support.

Really 0 support ? I know many grandparents who entirely took care of their grandkids for 2–3 years. So their kids can work.

Mind you, Not by living in the same city and helping. But taking care of grandkids in their own village / town.

You clearly have no idea of culture nor religion of the country.

[thewhitetulip]

I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality

The thread in which you are commenting is about Indias crashing TFR

Urban India TFR is 1.6

Which means people aren't having kids. Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha

[leosanchez]

> I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality

I suppose you are one of the left wingers who don't know how country used to be before 2014 ?

I am too from the same country. Extrapolating your experience to 1.4 billion people of different languages and cultures is not a sign of intelligent person.

> Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha

Weird that in previous edit you listed out all the supposed problems and then again edited and blamed 1.6 TFR solely on grand parents not supporting.

Looks like you are clutching at straws to justify your point.

[thewhitetulip]

Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation other than trolling or anecdotal examples?

This is not reddit. Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation

You are commenting on a thread where TFR has seena surprise bust. I would have stated examples of Western democracies which provide clean air, good jobs, good public infra that Indian govt is unable to provide and yet their TFR is also going down.

But the difference is, India suddenly had a TFR collapse. Not a gradual one like Japan. That's why Economist published an article and that's why you are commenting on it.

Every other country has seen a gradual decline except India that saw a crash

So I suppose 2 or 3 people whose grandparents support them (as per you) are having 2 kids while others have 1 or 0

Anecdotal evidence isn't much of an evidence because the country is 125 crore people. You are disproving your own point but you can't see that

[leosanchez]

> Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation other than trolling or anecdotal examples?

Wasn't your initial claim itself anecdotal evidence ?

> Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation

And what exactly is "I suppose you're one of them right wingers who live in an alternate reality" ? Is that good faith argumentation ? I was thinking you would want me to give it back in kind.

None of what you said is fact based.

> So I suppose 2 or 3 people whose grandparents support them (as per you) are having 2 kids while others have 1 or 0

It is staggering to me that you lack basic reading comprehension skills. Do I have to spoon-feed you what I am disagreeing with ?

Your initial claim: "Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help." Is apparently fact based because ?

From your previous comment: "Gee if all grandparents are helping them why is TFR 1.6 hahaha"

Did I say ALL grandparents support their kids ? Do you lack BASIC comprehension skills ? Why are you arguing a straw man ?

My pushback was on: "Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help.".

And I have told you I know plenty of grandparents who support their kids. I didn't say EVERY grandparent supports their kids. I didn't say this is common across all of India.

But YOU said "Neither culture nor religion or the govt does anything to help." It was YOU who generalized all of India.

You couldn't just take the L.

> This is not reddit. Please refrain from trolling and have a fact based conversation

Ok give me what facts you used to arrive at some of the claims you used in your other comments.

> Very few couples have kids of their own violitin.

Really ?

> culture pressures adults to have kids but gives 0 support

I agree that culture pressures adults. Which facts did you use to conclude that it gives 0 support ?

[thewhitetulip]

well, my "anecdotal" evidence is backed by the fact that Urban India's TFR has crashed to 1.6

The fact that TFR has crashed suddenly that blindsided everyone should be a hint about how supportive governments/society/religion is.

If you still can't understand it, doesn't matter

The TFR will keep crashing even if you or I or anyone else believes it or not

[leosanchez]

> The fact that TFR has crashed suddenly that blindsided everyone should be a hint about how supportive governments/society/religion is.

Isn't TFR dropping in urban areas common across the world ?

Do you know of any government or culture that reversed this ?

It is weird that you keep putting the blame on "governments/society/religion" when decreasing TFR is common phenomenon across the (urban) world.

EDIT: I want to make it a bit more clear since you have some trouble understanding nuance.

You can't say culture gives 0 support, and it is backend by 1.6 TFR. Hence, proved.

TFR dropping in common phenomenon across the world. It involves plenty of variables. You can't make up a claim and justify that by showing declining TFR.