[nashashmi]

The theory that improved health and safety and lifespan will shrink the urge to procreate is so far fetched I find it hard to imagine. The longer you live, the more likely you seek connection. It would be easier to imagine that long lifespan and better health makes people less attached to their spouse.

[zbentley]

> improved health and safety and lifespan will shrink the urge to procreate

Not what I said at all. Note the “even if I grant … (which I don’t…)”.

[nashashmi]

Oh, I misunderstood. You were only talking about the greater positives of industrialization, to counter ideas against it. That is true without debate. Material wealth going up, plus improved health conditions, are all positives. Material wealth replacing human relationships is not.

[zbentley]

Thanks for clarifying and amending.