[zbentley]

> improved health and safety and lifespan will shrink the urge to procreate

Not what I said at all. Note the “even if I grant … (which I don’t…)”.

[nashashmi]

Oh, I misunderstood. You were only talking about the greater positives of industrialization, to counter ideas against it. That is true without debate. Material wealth going up, plus improved health conditions, are all positives. Material wealth replacing human relationships is not.

[zbentley]

Thanks for clarifying and amending.