[ragequittah]

You're proving the idea that the science wins out though. The vaccine that caused problems in a vanishingly small amount of people was almost instantly recalled. I believe here in Canada we started giving it to people in February and stopped in March. The signal was so clear even though it was something like 1 in 50,000 people who had a problem.

We have giant populations of people who refused the vaccines. We also have a giant resurgence of measles now because those people are so large in number and so influential. Long covid is far more prevalent in those populations than anywhere else despite the seemingly blanket belief that covid was inconsequential among them.

The trials for the Pfizer vaccine came back as 95% effective. Not sure what paper you're holding saying blanket immunity for all time but it was probably political not scientific. It then did an insane pivot with omicron. Way too many mutations at once for any vaccine to accommodate.

The science is very broad and very clear on all of these matters. I feel bad if politicians or news agencies lied to you but my advice is to take an aggregate of every country / health authority in the entire world and disregard your own anecdotes / the Joe Rogans of the world. There's just no way that a conspiracy can be as far reaching as what you're implying.

[picofarad]

> The trials for the Pfizer vaccine came back as 95% effective.

Actually 99%

But it turned out it was only 37% effective and then they stopped reporting the efficacy. On to boosters!

[defrost]

It was 95% and it was documented in trials.

And then the COVID virus mutated, reducing the efficacy of that specific vaccine variant.

Current real-world data shows latest updated Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of hospitalization by roughly 50% to 60% and lower the risk of urgent care or emergency department visits by 50% to 75%.

Yale medical regularly updates efficacy data on a roughly six month(? IIRC) cycle, other countries also routinely publish.

[genewitch]

well, you might be right oh wait https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/vaccine100perce...

stand up when any of the numbers you mention show up!

* note: you have to wait a bit since everyone said it was 100% effective

[defrost]

Have a real source?

Maybe everyone you talked to or US press perhaps - here we ran with medical trials and epidemiologists.

> everyone said it was 100% effective

You're quoting idiots then - or second / third hand press reporting, or US/UK officials pressured by the US/UK admin of the time.

Not everyone lived in a politically captured shitshow.

[genewitch]

> Similar vaccine efficacy (generally 90 to 100%) was observed across subgroups defined by age, sex, race, ethnicity, baseline body-mass index, and the presence of coexisting conditions.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

also my source was i was cognizant during the 2020-2023 years and paying very close attention to every presser. the headlines comport with my memory of the reporting and the timeline of the efficacy decay.