[gambiting]

It's strange that someone mentions socialism and then another person replies saying communism doesn't work. Are these two the same for you?

[seszett]

For Americans it is.

Meanwhile, in Europe (I don't know Latin America well enough, although I know a few well-known right-wing leaders that didn't have stellar records) socialist governments consistently have a better record on basically everything from press freedom to economy to public health compared to economically liberal ("centrist") governments. But they're socialist so it doesn't count.

[ane]

I would call them market economies instead of socialist governments

[arowthway]

Well, they share the same core componnent of disregard for property rights and freedom of contract.

[solid_fuel]

> disregard for property rights and freedom of contract

Are you complaining about taxation and regulation? Both are cornerstones of every successful state in human history.

[loremium]

Any form of centralized power is bad for the vast majority of civilization. always has been

[bryanrasmussen]

I'm curious: what civilizations can you point to in which there has been no centralized power?

[asdff]

Your own network of friends and family.

[bryanrasmussen]

my friends and family may be civilized, heavy emphasis on the may, but they are not a civilization.

[gambiting]

That doesn't answer my question.