[arowthway]

Well, they share the same core componnent of disregard for property rights and freedom of contract.

[solid_fuel]

> disregard for property rights and freedom of contract

Are you complaining about taxation and regulation? Both are cornerstones of every successful state in human history.

[loremium]

Any form of centralized power is bad for the vast majority of civilization. always has been

[bryanrasmussen]

I'm curious: what civilizations can you point to in which there has been no centralized power?

[asdff]

Your own network of friends and family.

[bryanrasmussen]

my friends and family may be civilized, heavy emphasis on the may, but they are not a civilization.

[gambiting]

That doesn't answer my question.