[miyoji]

> (consciousness being a cognitive capacity)

I don't think it makes any sense to say that consciousness is a cognitive capacity. Cognition is one of many qualia that compose the experience of consciousness from the inside, but it's not the only one, and I can easily imagine consciousness without cognition at all.

So I don't think it's weird at all to say that LLMs can be good models of some cognitive capacities (particularly the ones embodied in language) but lacks others, and overall lacks consciousness.

[morpheos137]

allow me to resolve the confusion: ai is a model of language. language is a model of human cognitive state. to the extent language maps to cognitive state accurately and ai processes language fluently ai models understanding. whether this is understanding is an irrelevant metaphysical question to me.

[miyoji]

> language is a model of human cognitive state.

This is false. Cognitive states do not require language and language is an insufficient model of any cognitive state.

The follow-ons for the rest of your so-called resolution should be clear.

[morpheos137]

'This is false,' that is an assertion not a proof, and the assertion rests on some kind of asbolutizing fallacy where if x =! y then y =! y(x). I agree cognitive states do not require language. However to say language does not model cognitive states is absurd, from where else would language derive meaning? No I am not saying it models the specific mechanics of neurons. Rather I am saying language maps to the abstract meaning of cognitive states. So the word red absolutely does correspond to some class of brain states common to red. What else could possibly allow cognition to interface with the physical world. Note 'models,' does not need to mean 'injectively, transitively' corresponds. the fact language does not cover all cognitive states in full in no way invalidates language as a model of cognitive state, in the same way a map is a model of territory without being the territory.