[dyauspitr]

Media isn’t made for men anymore. I don’t believe you can make media that appeals to both men and women at the same time. It creates bland, tasteless media with no gravitas because you have to appeal to the widest possible base so all edginess and grit that give the movie memorable moments are completely removed.

[Kye]

That's such a bleak view of men. I think they're more open to variety in their media than you give them credit for.

[dyauspitr]

I actually find that view of men inspiring. Depending on what “variety” you mean, an openness to that is depressing, infuriating even. It belies a rot, grinding down the best characteristics.

[Kye]

I can only match your level of specificity. What do you mean? You gestured vaguely in the direction of something. What do you consider "made for men" that isn't represented now?

[dyauspitr]

Unapologetically promiscuous leading men, women on screen purely as sex props and not in some two bit low production value shoot em up. I mean high art like countless examples in the recent past. Edgy concepts like rape, domestic abuse and general violence against women being accurately depicted on screen again when necessary to tell the story. I can appreciate strong women characters on screen but not when it’s a requirement that every woman on screen be one.

If Hollywood doesn’t figure this out in time, they will fail. Already shows like Kill Tony are becoming the biggest and most prolific stand-up shows in America. Those people can be truly funny because they have no boundaries. Listening to comics on every other show feels extremely boring now. SNL is unwatchable, late night talk shows are failing, “clean” comics play to empty arenas. The problem is those guys are straight up racist, homophobic, and misogynistic and tightly bound to the Trump administration.

[Kye]

I think we live in very different media environments. I have no idea what Kill Tony is, have always thought SNL and most late night was dull, and have a steady stream of good stand-up comedians who aren't any sort of ist or phobic in my timelines.

And I have no idea when

>> "Unapologetically promiscuous leading men, women on screen purely as sex props and not in some two bit low production value shoot em up. I mean high art like countless examples in the recent past."

would have been the norm. Even the worst of the Hays Code era had plenty of strong leading women. Before that, tons of lecherous women, queer women, etc.

[dyauspitr]

Yeah we’re probably in different bubbles. The problem is most men are in my bubble. Shane Gillis is probably the biggest comedian to come out of kill Tony and the one you’re most likely to have heard of.

Here’s how it applies to the top 10 movies on IMDb

Shawshank redemption: the well liked male protagonist righteously murders his wife for cheating on him

The Godfather: pretty much encapsulates all of my requirements

12 angry men: no women

Original LOTR: Does women characters incredibly well

Pulp fiction: Mia is in there for a few key scenes, no nonsense

The good, the bad and the ugly: self explanatory. Great male characters

Forest gump: Jenny might be the greatest villain ever for her promiscuity

I can go on and on. All these movies have gravitas. You won’t see any movie post 2015 even crack the top 100 (besides Parasite but that isn’t Hollywood) because that’s about when they lost the plot.