[Kye]

I think we live in very different media environments. I have no idea what Kill Tony is, have always thought SNL and most late night was dull, and have a steady stream of good stand-up comedians who aren't any sort of ist or phobic in my timelines.

And I have no idea when

>> "Unapologetically promiscuous leading men, women on screen purely as sex props and not in some two bit low production value shoot em up. I mean high art like countless examples in the recent past."

would have been the norm. Even the worst of the Hays Code era had plenty of strong leading women. Before that, tons of lecherous women, queer women, etc.

[dyauspitr]

Yeah we’re probably in different bubbles. The problem is most men are in my bubble. Shane Gillis is probably the biggest comedian to come out of kill Tony and the one you’re most likely to have heard of.

Here’s how it applies to the top 10 movies on IMDb

Shawshank redemption: the well liked male protagonist righteously murders his wife for cheating on him

The Godfather: pretty much encapsulates all of my requirements

12 angry men: no women

Original LOTR: Does women characters incredibly well

Pulp fiction: Mia is in there for a few key scenes, no nonsense

The good, the bad and the ugly: self explanatory. Great male characters

Forest gump: Jenny might be the greatest villain ever for her promiscuity

I can go on and on. All these movies have gravitas. You won’t see any movie post 2015 even crack the top 100 (besides Parasite but that isn’t Hollywood) because that’s about when they lost the plot.