[gavinray]

"Humans are valuable"

For what, and to whom?

This is a very anthropo-centric and hubristic view, in my opinion.

I dont think a human life inherently has any more value than anything else that possesses phenomenal consciousness

This of course makes me somewhat of a hypocrite as I eat meat, but you make some tradeoffs in moral resolve in the name of pragmatism and economy.

[lantry]

How is eating meat pragmatic or economic? A vegetarian diet is less expensive and just as healthy.

[gavinray]

Hard to find more protein per dollar than $2/lb of canned chicken with an equal or even similar Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS).

[littlexsparkee]

If my numbers are right, you could undercut that slightly with combo of pulses/tofu/rice, albeit with higher calories/carbs depending on mix.

edit: seeing the same as lantry, that eggs or milk are cheaper animal source

[lantry]

eggs and milk are generally cheaper per gram of protein, and both have the same PDCAAS as chicken

[bluefirebrand]

> than anything else that possesses phenomenal consciousness

Can you give an example of anything else you think might possess phenomenal consciousness?

[gavinray]

A dog

[wiseowise]

So going by your logic, you would struggle to choose between saving a human life and a dog life (assuming both are strangers to you)?

[ivraatiems]

Do you consider dogs to have more, less, or the same amount of consciousness as humans?