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by jchw 19 days ago
I don't believe that activism actually generally works, and I am skeptical that voting works either.

Don't get me wrong. I do vote, and I believe that voting and activism can work, and even still does for a variety of things. But as for fighting against forces of corruption and tyranny, I believe activism is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorcycle. Any grassroots efforts are in a horribly asymmetric battle against well-funded adversaries that will come back every year everywhere without fail to get their opening. And any hope we had of limiting corporate interests in politics has been decimated in the U.S. basically since Citizen's United — not that I really believe there wouldn't have been some other workaround had that not happened.

So yes, I believe grassroots activism largely doesn't work. The fact that the battle is so asymmetrical makes it even more asymmetrical by making people apathetic about and fatigued over activism, making it even less effective.

But people often turn their heads when there's violence.

Nobody wants violence, just like nobody wants to hit rock bottom. I believe truly that political violence is a very dark place that will be no fun for anyone involved that I personally do not want to be a part of in any way. But, it just is the case that things will get worse before they get ~~much worse~~ better.

I see it as a question of if and not when until structural changes occur that durably improve upon the asymmetry of political activism. And in that case, it's not a matter of whether or not, it's a matter of getting it the hell over with.

I don't know how the fuck these stupid Flock "safety" cameras got here, but I have a pretty good guess how they'll disappear.

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They grew out of red light cameras, which everyone saw as a naked cash grab- especially once towns were caught tweaking the yellow light timings.

Cops love them, and look longingly at the UK panopticon and how easy it is to solve crimes.

If our panopticon actually meant crimes got solved, I’d be less pissed off by it.

Instead we’re being spied on but seemingly police can’t solve any of the crime affecting most people’s day to day lives.

Those flock cameras arrived in many places in the US bc people did not show up to public city council meetings to oppose them, aka “activism”.
In many cities they just bring it up again and again until it passes. They only need to win once, we need to win every time. That's the problem.
This is anticipatory obedience and it's actively harmful.

You are also wrong. Contracts, ordinances, and everything related to governance get rolled back or changed all the time. Especially at the local level.

If you have lost the initial battle you can do the same thing as them: you keep attacking their presence and you only need to win once to undo it.

Are representatives that were elected deaf? Or dumb?

What is voting for then?

Locally over here our city councils are overran with people who are anti Flock. Flock's strategy is to sneak their way in as if it is an "emergency". They've got a whole playbook.

Normal activists don't stand a chance against well-funded adversaries.

This is just anticipatory obedience. Deciding that you've already lost before even trying is actively harmful, especially when paired with a lack of any other action.

If you don't believe in this system then start setting things on fire[0] I guess. Otherwise shut up, people are actually trying to fight it.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Kimberly-Clark_distributi...

Like I said, I still participate. I just have absolutely zero hope this will get solved peacefully.

Feel free to spread naivity, but do not tell me to shut up, that is an endeavor less useful than any activism.

> I don't know how the fuck these stupid Flock "safety" cameras got here, but I have a pretty good guess how they'll disappear.

Gee golly, I have no clue how the pole ended up being cut and the solar and cameras ended up smashed.

Must'a been an "accident".