[jandrewrogers]

Modern C++ metaprogramming materially impacts performance in practice. I’ve done performance engineering for decades in both C and modern C++ and I would assert that the difference isn’t arguable.

The poor applicability of auto-vectorization is another area where C++ is strong. You can transparently codegen e.g. AVX512 from intrinsics directly in C++ in contexts that would be opaque to auto-vectorization and difficult to generalize in C. This allows you to get some degree of “auto-vectorization” where the compiler can’t see it because it works at the wrong level of abstraction.

With sufficiently heroic efforts you can write C that matches the performance of C++. I’m not arguing that. Virtually no one writes C to that standard, including myself when I was writing high-performance C because the effort was too high, so it is a bit of a strawman.

It is the difference between theory and practice. All code bases have a finite budget. C++ can do a lot more optimization in the same budget as C.

[globalnode]

So youre saying the metaprogramming facilities of C++ allow the compiler to better optimise high level human readable code more effectively than C. Thats a fair point and one I'd never even thought of before, I always thought C was faster because of things like v-tables and all that stuff.

[adrian_b]

In C++, nobody would want or need to use virtual functions in high-performance computational applications, while in the C language structures with virtual function tables that are accessed explicitly by the programmer are in widespread use wherever suitable, for instance in many popular open-source C programs, like the Linux kernel or the debugger gdb.

So the existence of virtual function tables is not a differentiator between C++ and C.

The data types with virtual function tables are just the implementation method for sum types that is dual to tagged unions. Both virtual function tables and tagged unions can be implemented in C and in most other programming languages that do not have intrinsic support for them, but they require explicit boilerplate code for invoking the virtual functions or for testing the union tags.

Which is the better of these 2 variants depends on the application. In high-performance computations, one does not use ambiguous data types, so normally none of these 2 is used. There are a few object-oriented programming languages where "everything is an object", i.e. any kind of data includes a virtual table pointer, but those are just incomplete programming languages, which do not have all the data types needed in practice, like also many early programming languages that had a unique data type, e.g. the original LISP I, which had only linked lists and no arrays, etc. C++ at least is a complete language, in which any kind of data type can be implemented, without overheads.

As you said previously, C has few restrictions in what it can do, so in theory it is almost always possible to write a C program almost exactly equivalent with any program written in another language, matching its speed, even if that may require a significant reorganization of the code, not a line to line translation.

Nevertheless, as the other poster said, the effort needed to write that equivalent program may be so high that it is not a realistic solution.

So in practice it is not unusual that at similar programming efforts a higher-level language like C++ frequently allows writing a faster program than C.

[flohofwoe]

> while in the C language structures with virtual function tables that are accessed explicitly by the programmer are in widespread use wherever suitable, for instance in many popular open-source C programs, like the Linux kernel or the debugger gdb

For dynamic dispatch there is absolutely no difference between using a jump table in C and virtual method tables in C++. If the compiler can infer the target address at compile time, it will not go through an indirect call, e.g.:

https://www.godbolt.org/z/as8ehGhv3

And for 'static dispatch' there's no difference between a C++ method call and a direct C function call (since for static dispatch the caller needs to 'know' the target function either way).

[pjmlp]

With the difference that in C++ you can easily generate such call table at compile time without macro soup, while having it type checked.

Even better if assuming C++26.

[leonidasrup]

For example, you can do loop unrolling using C++ template meta-programming.

https://cpplove.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-generic-loop-unroller...

Of course, nothing beats hand written ffmpeg-style assembly which takes into account optimal register allocation, instruction scheduling, cache alignment, etc. for specific processor architectures.

[jeffreygoesto]

Careful. That article is from 2012 and compile time unrolling was more useful back then. Today or can actually be harmful as it hides strong hints about the loop from the optimizer. Our code that did this fared worse than a loop, because no optimizer-writer expected unrolled loops.

[nnevatie]

Yes, to a degree. For example, if you look into Eigen, the math library, you'll notice that it's mostly header-only and heavily templated. Writing all that by hand in C would be possible, but incredibly time-consuming unless you'd rely on some pretty incredible macro-magistry.

[swiftcoder]

> So youre saying the metaprogramming facilities of C++ allow the compiler to better optimise high level human readable code more effectively than C.

The metaprogramming facilities of C++ allow the programmer to more effectively optimise than they would have the patience to do in C.

The compiler's own optimisations don't directly benefit from the metaprogramming facilities in this sense. What they do is let the programmer break high level constructs down to codegen that the compiler can optimise

And you could do the same things by hand in C or Rust, but it would be tedious in the extreme, and you'd probably find yourself adopting external codegen tools